Seamus is Roy Schestowitz, notorious Linux advocacy troll.

Nice try, Seamus. Or rather, Roy.

You are Roy Schestowitz, notorious Linux advocacy troll.

Every day you continue to troll usenet I will make another post like this
one, outing your latest sock and crossposting to one or two other newsgroups
you have posted to recently.

Attempting to sow confusion by forging my own posts, or by posing as "Steve"
and "glyph" to try to deflect the blame onto another real-world personage,
will avail you of nothing, Roy.

Eventually you will learn your lesson.

> [...etc]

Sorry Paul, but your cover is now completely blown.

It's quite easy to check that your post was made from the same IP
as those from 'meerkats', 'Chad' et al... The other -- presumably
original -- Nym Shifter is posting from a different IP.

And anyone actually bothering to do a web wander will find that virtually
all the mentions of "Roy Schestowitz" are to a PhD at Manchester (UK, of
course). I could find only one hatchet job from someone who obviously
mainly wants to diss Linux.

OTOH there's a trail to Paul Derbyshire that shows a person *exactly*
fitting your profile. I'd suggest a clear need for psychiatric help,
but I realize you have no intention of seeking it.

So I will just go back to ignoring you. You're not even worth the
hassle of plonking -- you'r so easy to see coming...

-- Pete --

Hi, Seamus.

"Steve",
"Pete", or "glyph" to try to deflect the blame onto another real-world

As far as I'm concerned, every one of you spewing off-topic nonsense into
comp.lang.java.programmer and rec.arts.tv is Seamus, including you, AND
Steve, AND Purpleswandir (what kind of a stupid name is that?), AND
everyone else who shows more than the slightest interest in the whole
"who's Seamus?" affair.

It's the simplest explanation -- one single lunatic is trolling many
newsgroups and joe-jobbing people like Roy and Paul and Ken Pangborn for
whatever reason. (Maybe those three people did something to piss you off?)

No matter. I'm not going to get involved any further. I'm killfiling you
and I'm killfiling any nym who a) is obviously Seamus ("where's my
show?!" as debut post, [insult deleted], etc.), b) makes their first post
to any group be about Seamus, or c) becomes clearly-Seamus at any point
later in time.

Furthermore I'm recommending everyone else do the same, and also that
they reserve their own judgment about any of the names that have been
mooted as possible real identities for Seamus. There are now three of
those that I am aware of. Clearly at least two of those three are wrong,
and probably all three of them are. Regarding the accusations swirling
around any of them as anything but scurrilous gossip therefore clearly
has at least a 66% chance of playing right into Seamus's hands and
helping him joe-job some innocent schmuck.

This will be my last post on this topic.

Silent followup-to ignored. Followups set to alt.troll on this post.

Have a nice day.

P.S. Please stop spewing all this off-topic shit into cljp and rat!!!

P.P.S. *plonk!*

P.P.P.S. Merry fucking Christmas.

P.P.P.P.S. And a happy goddamn New Year.

4> Newsgroups:
rec.arts.tv,comp.os.os2.advocacy,rec.games.roguelike.development,comp.lang.java.programmer,alt.free.newsservers

4> As far as I'm concerned, every one of you spewing off-topic
nonsense into
4> comp.lang.java.programmer and rec.arts.tv is Seamus, including you,
AND
4> Steve, AND Purpleswandir (what kind of a stupid name is that?),
AND
4> everyone else who shows more than the slightest interest in the
whole
4> "who's Seamus?" affair.

What does your concern have to do with OS/2, Exception?

4> It's the simplest explanation -- one single lunatic is trolling
many
4> newsgroups and joe-jobbing people like Roy and Paul and Ken
Pangborn for
4> whatever reason. (Maybe those three people did something to piss
you off?)

What does your explanation have to do with OS/2, Exception?

4> No matter. I'm not going to get involved any further. I'm
killfiling you
4> and I'm killfiling any nym who a) is obviously Seamus ("where's my
4> show?!" as debut post, [insult deleted], etc.), b) makes their
first post
4> to any group be about Seamus, or c) becomes clearly-Seamus at any
point
4> later in time.

Famous Last Words.

4> Furthermore I'm recommending everyone else do the same, and also
that
4> they reserve their own judgment about any of the names that have
been
4> mooted as possible real identities for Seamus. There are now three
of
4> those that I am aware of. Clearly at least two of those three are
wrong,
4> and probably all three of them are. Regarding the accusations
swirling
4> around any of them as anything but scurrilous gossip therefore
clearly
4> has at least a 66% chance of playing right into Seamus's hands and
4> helping him joe-job some innocent schmuck.

What does your recommendation have to do with OS/2, Exception?

4> This will be my last post on this topic.

Famous Last Words.

4> Silent followup-to ignored. Followups set to alt.troll on this
post.

What does that have to do with OS/2, Exception?

4> Have a nice day.

What does that have to do with OS/2, Exception?

4> P.S. Please stop spewing all this off-topic shit into cljp and
rat!!!

But it's okay for you to spew off-topic shit into cooa, eh Exception?

4> P.P.S. *plonk!*

Famous Last Word.

4> P.P.P.S. Merry fucking Christmas.

What does your foul language have to do with OS/2, Exception?

4> P.P.P.P.S. And a happy goddamn New Year.

What does your foul language have to do with OS/2, Exception?

aioe.org is a rather widely used news server today, when
many ISP's has removed NNTP from their standard offerings.

Arne

6> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer

6> aioe.org is a rather widely used news server today, when
6> many ISP's has removed NNTP from their standard offerings.

What does that have to do with OS/2, Arne?

I'm his college roommate, you idiot. Of course it was made from the same IP,
since there's only one ethernet port in our dorm room!

and "glyph" to try to deflect the blame onto another real-world personage,

But seriously guys, you can all do better than this:

1) [deleting insults] is a very weak method of control. The above was
in the first post crossed into my newsgroup so I cant look back at
previous posts in the thread, and Im too lazy trawl through the
origional newsgroup/post for the start of the whole thing. Doing this
actually weakens your position, since hiding your opponents remarks
has prevented me from making my own judgements on who has the more
justified position in the argument. Do you have something to hide? Was
it actually a better [false accusation and insult] than the one you
were able to muster, and thus must be [deleted] lest you embarrass
yourself?

Which brings me to

2) >I have not! certainly appears to make this the case. This is a no-
content playground response, and doesnt even allude to what the
[deleted false accusation] was. In all very unentertaining, and there
are simply way too many examples of this.

3) What does this post have to do with OS/2, Numeron? Well this: Its a
reply to your own questioning of the crossposting in
comp.os.os2.advocacy, and the validity of those posts in relation to
the topic of the newsgroup. Its merely an extention of a conversation
which you belive to be centered on the OS/2 group, despite its tangent
of a topic. At its core it can be no more or less valid to OS/2 than
your own posts because it is in part based directly on your posts and
shares the same topic.

I liked this: it was good and irritating, especially since you also
aimed it at people who took an oposing position to Saemus (just to
make sure everyone is pissed off), and the extra hypocracy in having
posted in other newsgroups to ask only about its relevancy to yours is
brilliant. After all, what does your post have to do with roguelikes,
theolen?

But Ive seen the same post 20 times over now, and the material got old
quick. The line by line dissections of already large posts have caused
me to tl;dr large sections of your writing, which is not something you
should be aiming for because the people you do it to will do the same
- and I assume that since you are writing it you actually intend
someone to read it. After one post it stops being clever, and starts
being spam in the thread to skip over.

4) *plonk* is always a sad thing to see. If you want someone in your
killfile then just put them there, and its all over. Actually writing
it shows a great weakness in that you have to have your last word and
then quickly escape lest you be demolished in return; something which
is not a great risk in these threads regardless. One way or another
its troll food, but its very un-nourishing - leading to even lamer
responses - and rather than encouraging people to do the same, it
encourages people to write the same.

5) "utter bullshit" "Asshole!" "What the hell is this shit" (taken
from the medical emergency thread)
Swearing demonstrates that your are letting your emotions get the
better of you, that you are beginning to lose control. Sharpen up. you
arent going to totally ruin someone someone by calling them names, you
have show more wit than that - and that can only happen when you have
a clear head.

Ive left plenty of troll food in this post for you all.

Now either get the party started or get out of
rec.games.roguelike.development.

Plonk, you troll, "Nym Shifter". I doubt that you will ever learn your lesson.

--
Lew
Ceci n'est pas une pipe.

That is most helpful in fracturing
the illusion.
Until now you read as being a
non-douching crack whore using
stolen i-Pad(s) to post between two bit
truckers blowing their load(s) in your ass!

alt.free.newsservers.
arf!

sharing an ethernet port, that sounds so romantic! do you also share
your bed, or is he not so keen on having to sleep on a bed with a
plastic covering to prevent your nightly urine releases soaking into
the matress?

Doubtless the desire to wear the blonde wig and dress remain none the
less. Its just sad, Nym, that you cant go out into public like that
lest you are mistaken for a witch and chased into a forbidden woods by
a mob with pitchforks and torches.

I see that torrents of off-topic posts continue to pour into rec.arts.tv,
half of them on the topic of politics and half part of the big Seamus
flamefest.

Cut it out!

I see that torrents of off-topic posts continue to pour into rec.arts.tv,

>snip

>Cut it out!

Hi seamus

... Says someone posting as "Nym Shifter", who does not offer any support for
his alleged claims? Yeah, the believability index here is hovering around
twenty below.

The lesson is, no matter how good or bad you are, some Usenet kook will
attach himself to you and claim that you are very bad indeed.

-s
--
Copyright 2010, all wrongs reversed. Peter Seebach / usenet...@seebs.net
http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!
I am not speaking for my employer, although they do rent some of my opinions.

Plonk.

I most certainly am not.

> Every day you [false accusation deleted] I will [threat deleted]

I don't respond well to threats.

> Attempting to sow confusion by [false accusation deleted] will

I don't do those things and my name's not Roy.

> [threat deleted]

I don't respond well to threats.

Those phrases are seen before in cljp.

Nobody misses them though!

Arne

Only that somebody suggested in an OS2 group to
filter everything from aioe.org.

Arne

7> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer

7> Only that somebody suggested in an OS2 group to
7> filter everything from aioe.org.

That somebody can make that suggestion anywhere.

Including, apparently, comp.os.os2.advocacy. :)

5> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer

5> Including, apparently, comp.os.os2.advocacy. :)

But why? Out of the tens of thousands of newsgroups, why
pick that one?

No.

3> Newsgroups:
rec.arts.tv,comp.os.os2.advocacy,rec.games.roguelike.development,comp.lang.java.programmer,alt.free.newsservers

3> I am not.

What does your denial have to do with OS/2, Purpleswandir?

3> I don't respond well to threats.

What does ClassCastException's alleged threat have to do
with OS/2, Purpleswandir?

3> My name is not Roy and "Nym Shifter" is a liar.

What does your classic pontification have to do with OS/2,
Purpleswandir?

3> I don't respond well to threats.

What does ClassCastException's alleged threat have to do
with OS/2, Purpleswandir?

3> Go to hell. Go directly to hell, do not pass "GO", do not collect
$200.

What does your Monopoly reference have to do with OS/2,
Purpleswandir?

3> The only [insult deleted] here is "Nym Shifter".

What does that have to do with OS/2, Purpleswandir?

3> You should have stood pat at killfiling "Nym Shifter".

What does your advice have to do with OS/2, Purpleswandir?

3> Thanks for at least notifying us, dickwad. Followup-to ignored. :)

Who is "dickwad", Purpleswandir? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

3> Seasons fucking greetings to you too, asshole!

Who is "asshole", Purpleswandir? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias. And what does your foul language have to do with
OS/2, Purpleswandir?

4> Newsgroups:
rec.arts.tv,comp.os.os2.advocacy,rec.games.roguelike.development,comp.lang.java.programmer,alt.free.newsservers

4> I am not.

What does your denial have to do with OS/2, Purpleswandir?

4> I don't respond well to threats.

What does Nym Shifter's alleged threat have to do
with OS/2, Purpleswandir?

4> My name is not Roy.

What does your classic pontification have to do with OS/2,
Purpleswandir?

4> I don't respond well to threats.

What does Nym Shifter's alleged threat have to do
with OS/2, Purpleswandir?

This reminds me about the supposedly two australians 1-2
years ago.

Arne

PS: You could still have different IP addresses even
in that context by using a switch instead of a NAT
router.

At least one of the participants including the worst actually
also uses some of the free news servers around the world, so
not 100% effective.

Arne

Sure.

But somebody actually chose to do so in your group.

Arne

Good question.

cljp has seen him frequently.

The Lisp group as well.

I guess the OS/2 people were the unlucky ones this time.

Arne

They are seen before.

And I am pretty sure that nobody have missed them.

Arne

8> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer

8> Sure.

Glad you agree, Arne.

8> But somebody actually chose to do so in your group.

And the question is why. Just because it can be done
doesn't explain why it was done, Arne.

9> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer

9> At least one of the participants including the worst actually
9> also uses some of the free news servers around the world, so
9> not 100% effective.

What does Harrison's use of a free news server have to do with
OS/2, Arne?

10> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer

10> Good question.

10> cljp has seen him frequently.

10> The Lisp group as well.

10> I guess the OS/2 people were the unlucky ones this time.

I'd rather not rely on a guess, Arne.

No.

But since I did not bring it up, then I can not
explain why.

Neither would I.

But I don't know why he choose OS/2 this time.

What I do know is that when he once has been in a group he
likes to come back occasionally.

Arne

Yes, it's very reminiscent of this thread:

<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.programmer/browse_frm/thread/763cc1ca0d51eb09>

and this article in particular:

<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.programmer/msg/6504846643e355de>

--
John B. Matthews
trashgod at gmail dot com
<http://sites.google.com/site/drjohnbmatthews>

12> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer

12> No.

Glad you agree, Arne.

12> But since I did not bring it up, then I can not
12> explain why.

I've already taken it up with the person who did bring it up,
Arne.

12> Neither would I.

Glad you agree, Arne.

12> But I don't know why he choose OS/2 this time.

Nor does he want to answer the question, apparently.

12> What I do know is that when he once has been in a group he
12> likes to come back occasionally.

Nothing unusual there. Look at dizzy.

Do not misquote me again.

Perhaps.

> And I am pretty sure that [implied insult deleted].

No.

Actually I don't see tholen using any other service than google groups
to post.

--
Curiosity killed the cat.
Satisfaction brought him back.

That's nasty, tholen. You imply with this that I am "the worst".

I can tell you what I am "the worst". I am the worst deep sea diver. I
am the worst ballerina. (My falsetto is particularly terrible!) I am
quite possibly the worst space shuttle pilot you have ever seen. Along
with much of the rest of the population, of course. And you wouldn't
want to come within a mile of me if you saw me enter a karaoke bar, say,
because I lost a bet.

Meanwhile I'm an okay guy and I know a thing or two about software
engineering. Funnily enough I sometimes use Java but have never posted
to comp.lang.java.programmer until now, because of tholen's crossposting
to badmouth me there.

1> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer

1> Actually I don't see tholen using any other service than google
groups
1> to post.

What does your experience have to do with OS/2, Kirkpatrick?

43> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer

43> That's nasty, tholen.

You've earned it, Harrison.

43> You imply with this that I am "the worst".

Can you name anybody using more aliases than you, Harrison?

43> I can tell you what I am "the worst". I am the worst deep sea
diver. I
43> am the worst ballerina. (My falsetto is particularly terrible!) I
am
43> quite possibly the worst space shuttle pilot you have ever seen.
Along
43> with much of the rest of the population, of course. And you
wouldn't
43> want to come within a mile of me if you saw me enter a karaoke
bar, say,
43> because I lost a bet.

What do all of your deficiencies have to do with OS/2, Harrison?

43> Meanwhile I'm an okay guy and I know a thing or two about
software
43> engineering.

Too bad you don't know the difference between "erroneous" and
not indicating any disagreement with what was quoted, and even
refuse to acknowledge the difference after it has been pointed
out to you, Harrison.

43> Funnily enough I sometimes use Java but have never posted
43> to comp.lang.java.programmer until now,

What about any of your other aliases, Harrison?

43> because of tholen's crossposting

Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Harrison?
It was "Nym Shifter" who added comp.os.os2.advocacy to the
distribution of an article that included comp.lang.java.programmer
in the distribution, in response to one of your aliases.

43> to badmouth me there.

Go deal with it there, Harrison.

Relf> People like Tim Harrison, Seamus MacRae, Tholen and "Murphy"
Relf> flood newsgroups because they insist on having the last word.

Me> What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to
Me> do with OS/2, Relf?

Harrison> Moreover, you quoted it and you quoted it uncritically,
Harrison> as if it were true, rather than indicate any disagreement
Harrison> with what you were quoting.

I see that you've chosen the option to continue to look like a
"blithering idiot", Harrison, and repeatedly so. I called Relf's
remark "erroneous", as substantiated in the above quotation, yet
you failed to see any indication of disagreement in my response,
as substantiated in the above quotation. Obviously you're the liar,
Harrison, which is rather ironic, considering your accusations.

You are Roy Schestowitz, notorious Linux advocacy troll.

Every day you continue to troll usenet I will make another post like this
one, outing your latest sock and crossposting to one or two other newsgroups
you have posted to recently.

Attempting to sow confusion by forging my own posts, or by posing as
"Steve",
"Pete", or "glyph" to try to deflect the blame onto another real-world
personage,
will avail you of nothing, Roy.

Eventually you will learn your lesson.

Those two gentlemen or should I say one non-gentleman.

The actual thread I was thinking about was:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.programmer/browse_frm/thread/d66c608cb99b151a

I was thinking about.

Arne

Don't be absurd. I am Ferdinand the Minus Fourteenth, Crown Prince of
Pefkakia.

> Every day you continue to [false accusation deleted] I will [threat
> deleted]

> Attempting to [false accusation deleted] by [false accusation
> deleted] will avail you of nothing, Roy.

My name is Ferdinand, not Roy.

Yeah, Tim, you tell him! Send him packing! Tell that nasty tholenbot
what to go do with itself!

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3> Newsgroups:
rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer,news.software.readers

3> Don't be absurd. I am Ferdinand the Minus Fourteenth, Crown Prince
of
3> Pefkakia.

What does your fantasy have to do with OS/2, Ferdinand?

3> I don't respond well to threats.

What does your emulation of Tim Harrison have to do with
OS/2, Ferdinand?

3> My name is Ferdinand, not Roy.

What does your emulation of Tim Harrison have to do with
OS/2, Ferdinand?

3> I don't respond well to threats.

What does your emulation of Tim Harrison have to do with
OS/2, Ferdinand?

4> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy

4> Am not!

What does your emulation of Tim Harrison have to do with
OS/2, Ferdinand?

4> That's telling him, copeab!

What does your emulation of Tim Harrison have to do with
OS/2, Ferdinand?

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous liese majeste have
to do with OS/2, Tholen?

4> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer

4> Yeah, Tim, you tell him! Send him packing! Tell that nasty
tholenbot
4> what to go do with itself!

Who is "tholenbot", Svensson? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

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What does your redundancy have to do with OS/2, Svensson?

It's not redundancy, it's cheerleading. Haven't you ever watched football?

That thread doesn't remind me much of this one. On clicking through and
reading the first 20 or so posts, it looks like that thread is a debate
about the relative merits of changing /* ... */ comments so they nest,
making commenting out blocks of code less fraught with peril. It's mostly
technical and though there are strong opinions on both sides it is an on
topic and mostly productive discussion.

This, on the other hand, is a flame thread, whose very name is an
accusation. The whole thing is quite obviously off-topic in pretty much
every newsgroup it was crossposted into and started by a flame baiter who
has the remarkable audacity to actually call himself "Nym Shifter".

Far from being a technical debate that maybe got a little spirited, this
is a thread started by a troll and used as a platform for character
assassination and that was never on topic much of anywhere.

10> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer

10> It's not redundancy, it's cheerleading.

What does your cheerleading have to do with OS/2, Svensson?

10> Haven't you ever watched football?

What does your question have to do with OS/2, Svensson?

As it should be clear from what was quoted, then the similarity
is about the supposedly two persons and the one IP address.

Arne

Anyone posting to a programmers' newsgroup ought to know that IPs and
human identities are nowhere near in 1:1 correspondence, so it simply
makes no sense to me that the sole salient similarity between two threads
would be that they involved people sharing one internet connection at
school. So, I assumed there was also some behavioral similarity you'd
noted that caused the two instances to seem related, but when I examined
the thread you linked to I didn't find one.

Often the simplest explanation is the correct one.

When something is quoted, then it usually is because that is
what is considered relevant.

Trivial. No subtle tricks about people having to read
references to get the context.

Arne

At this point, the simplest explanation seems to be you saw a spurious
resemblance between random events that took place years apart and
inexplicably made a big fuss about it. :-)

Then why post the link, if what's at it is NOT relevant?

But it is.

Not the technical part, but the "explanation" about
the two posters backing each other having the same
IP address.

Arne

I could have given a little reading guidance to what
in the thread I was referring to.

But I assumed that people would find it.

Well - assumptions is the mother of most fuckups. :-)

Arne

That's another DISsimilarity. The two posters were backing each other up
in that other thread. Here they seem to be flaming one another.

True.

But multiple identities sometimes back each other and sometimes
disagree violently.

I guess it depends on whether the point is the topic or trolling.

Arne

That is illogical. You cannot use the fact that two pseudonymous users
agree as evidence that they are one and the same person, and
simultaneously use the fact that two pseudonymous users do not agree as
evidence that they are one and the same person. It is an elementary
result of Bayes's Theorem that if P is evidence in favor of Q, then ~P
must be evidence in favor of ~Q, and thus against Q.

For example, if P is a likely result of Q, and improbable in the absence
of Q, then P is strong evidence for Q, but ~P is also strong evidence
for ~Q. If P is highly improbable in the absence of Q, but not
especially likely in the presence of Q, then P is strong evidence for Q
but ~P is only weak evidence against Q. However, it is never the case
that both P and ~P are evidence for Q, or that both are evidence against Q.

For further information I refer you to:

http://lesswrong.com/lw/ih/absence_of_evidence_is_evidence_of_absence/

Well - I did not.

I argued that two pseudonymous users posting with the same IP address
is most likely the same person.

And I argued that whether they agree or argues does not change that.

I don't think that is a theorem - it is often called "common sense".

Arne

And therein lay your mistake. I would think that the hypothesis becomes
somewhat more probable if they agree, and significantly less probable if
they disagree.

You may think so.

But the disagreeing is also a well known phenomenon.

Example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29#Strawman_sockpuppet

Arne

I don't just think so; I know so. The disagreeing may not rule your
hypothesis out but it surely makes it less probable, and as per Bayes's
theorem, exactly one of the agreeing and the disagreeing must make it
less probable. So unless you're saying *agreeing* makes it less probable
that two 'nyms are socks, my conclusion stands.