Pompeii was destroyed by Vesuvius in 1631 (Petrenko)

Hello. My name is Oleg. My research is not a theory because it is CORRECT and is a conclusion...
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1. Giovanni Battista Mascolo - Italian Jesuit, professor of philosophy. Born in Naples and enjoyed great respect among the residents.
At the age of 48, he witnessed the eruption of Vesuvius (in 1631). 2 years later, he published a book - De incendio Vesuuii

Everything that came along the way was captured by this storm and whirlwind of fire. Livestock herds were crushed and scattered on all sides of the fields. Trees, huts, houses and towers were toppled and scattered. Of these fiery streams, two were the fastest. the first with great force rushed to Herculaneum, the second to Pompeii. The trees that stood in these cities turned to ashes.

Book link https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_7i_cyqMdNosC/page/n27/mode/2up
2. In 1514 Ambrogio Leone published the book "De Nola". It contains a map on which the city of Pompeii stands in its place. (Listed as a populated city)

Book link De Nola opusculum : distinctum, plenum, clarum, doctum, pulcrum, verum, graue, varium, & utile : Leone, Ambrogio, d. 1525 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

3. Donato da Siderno published in 1632 "Discorso filosofico, et astrologico, di D. Donato da Siderno abbate celestino".

Vesuvius erupted on December 16, 1631. During this eruption were destroyed: Stabiae, Pompeii, Herculaneum

Book link https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_jriM-x8j1LAC/page/n1/mode/2up
4. Gian Bernardino Giuliani published Trattato del monte Vesuvio e de 'suoi incendi in 1632.

He indicates the eruption of Vesuvius in December 1631

Book link Trattato del monte Vesuvio e de' suoi incendi, di Gian Bernardino Giuliani,... [2 di giugno 1632.] : Giuliani, Gian Bernardino. aut (FrPBN)10616855 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

5. Giulio Cesare Recupito - Jesuit. Born in Naples. In 1633 he published the book "De Vesvviano Incendio Nvntius". He not only describes the death of the cities of Pompeii and Herculaneum, but also describes their previous life. He reports that the death of cities is the punishment of God for the bad behavior of people.


Book link https://books.google.com.ua/books?id=X3A5AAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=ru#v=onepage&q&f=false
There are dozens of maps on which the existing city of Pompeii is marked ... But ... I gave eyewitness accounts. Giovanni Battista Mascolo saw everything with his own eyes. His book was approved by the Vatican, which means that in 1632, it was not for anyone that the city of Pompeii existed. Giulio Cesare Recupito was in Naples and saw with his own eyes the eruption and destruction of cities ...

This is great new information. However, I'm not totally convinced yet. Throughout my research, I have come across several maps showing Pompeii, it's true. There is, nevertheless, a book that twisted my mind:

Historia della Citta e Regno di Napoli (History of the City and Kingdom of Napoli), from 1601.

Here, the author states that the city of Torre dell'Annontiata (currently Torre Annunziata) was the OLD city of Pompeii:




Therefore, how could Pompeii have been destroyed by an eruption taking place in 1631, 30 years after this book? Somehow, things are not as straightforward as we could suppose. It seems to me they were already on the move to create something big out of the name "Pompeii".

I think Pompeii was being created since the event of Pliny, the Elder, in the 15th century (some German book makes reference to a curious Pliny dying to one of the eruptions of Vesuvius, if I'm not mistaken). Also, if you go to Wikipedia and check Torre Annunziata, you'll get:

The city was destroyed in the Vesuvius eruption of 79 AD and in 1631.

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Really? The city was destroyed in 79 AD, rebuilt, and had the same fate again in 1631? If this were true, Torre Annunziata should have medieval artifacts, not be an ancient city: yes, Torre Annunziata is one of the cities being dug out in the same archeological site of Pompeii.

Do you still consider your hipothesis to be 100% correct?

Good material. I personally think that Pompeii was destroyed in 1631 A.D. But, being Italian, I can tell you that in the third source from Donato da Siderno, the author doesn't say that Stabia, Pompeii and Hercolanum were destroyed that year. The author tells that the historians have not done a good job in the past, because they told about the destruction but forgot to write about the details of what happened, and for many other reasons. The impression is that he is talking about something the historians didn't do well in the distant past, not the year before.

As for the year of 1631, I, too, believe those cities were buried then. But I don't think it's the original Pompeii, nor was it called Pompeii at the time of the catastrophe.

daniloscarinci said:

As for the year of 1631, I, too, believe those cities were buried then. But I don't think it's the original Pompeii, nor was it called Pompeii at the time of the catastrophe.

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Yes. I've just looked at what you have psted and it's convincing. But at the same time Tschurilow has done a great job in that sense. Soooo, I don'y know...

Just a reset post to kick this back onto the recent list.

KD wrote a very detailed thread on this very subject citing many of the same sources. I don't know if that thread resurrected with the 2.0 restoration but, if so, you'll find irrefutable evidence there.

Just noticed in the Similar Threads section below that KD's thread is available.

79 A.D. no more: Pompeii got buried in 1631

One thing that has been brought to my attention by a Russian researcher 4 hard drives ago who mapped out timelines was that Fakestorians would multiply events to fill timelines. For instance I remember that he showed that the three French revolutions had leaders with similar if not exactly the same name, events happening as if it was a photocopy of the real event used to multiply one revolution to three. How would the Fakestorians know what happened thousands of years ago?

Magnetic said:

One thing that has been brought to my attention by a Russian researcher 4 hard drives ago who mapped out timelines was that Fakestorians would multiply events to fill timelines. For instance I remember that he showed that the three French revolutions had leaders with similar if not exactly the same name, events happening as if it was a photocopy of the real event used to multiply one revolution to three. How would the Fakestorians know what happened thousands of years ago?

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Which leaders of the French revolutions?

I am quite the fan of the idea that Pompeii and Herculaneum are actually Sodom and Gomorrah.

Cities completely buried by lava, that turned the trees to ash.
Here, an example of what happens to trees submerged in lava flow.

https://www.oregonhistoryproject.org/articles/historical-records/lava-cast-forest/
Quite a few people said that humans found in the ruins looked like fake plaster casts.
Anything submerged would, of course.
The Lava Cast Forest is a prime reference to that phenomenon.

For me it is quite simple. If these two cities were buried in the ashes in 79 BC, then there would be no medieval maps indicating their location, however ... the city called Torre dell'Annontiata is practically within Pompeii, so it may well have been part of the destroyed city ( and continued to be called Pompeii) and later with time it received its new name like Torre dell'Annontiata and today it is called Torre Annunziata.

But that is only deduction after reading the topic.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0240017
They found brain cells from pompeii but they're not releasing the raw data. I wonder why...

Armouro said:

I am quite the fan of the idea that Pompeii and Herculaneum are actually Sodom and Gomorrah.

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That's a good idea. I think it either was actually Sodom and Gomorrah, or they rebuilt Pompeii and Herculaneum in line with the biblical story, including reference to sexual excesses. In the latter case, Pompeii und Herculaneum would be like temples or museums, depicting Sodom and Gomorrah.

dreamtime said:

Armouro said:

I am quite the fan of the idea that Pompeii and Herculaneum are actually Sodom and Gomorrah.

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That's a good idea. I think it either was actually Sodom and Gomorrah, or they rebuilt Pompeii and Herculaneum in line with the biblical story, including reference to sexual excesses. In the latter case, Pompeii und Herculaneum would be like temples or museums, depicting Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Historical duplicates are rife in our tales. Unsurprising to find that this telling harbours yet another.

This idea may become one of the staples of the "Bible geography was in europe not the middle east" ...if it isn't already.

Whitewave said:

KD wrote a very detailed thread on this very subject citing many of the same sources. I don't know if that thread resurrected with the 2.0 restoration but, if so, you'll find irrefutable evidence there.

Just noticed in the Similar Threads section below that KD's thread is available.

79 A.D. no more: Pompeii got buried in 1631

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The books and manuscripts cited by Petrenko/Oleg appear to be new information at SH. They are not found in the older Pompeii threads, afaik.

The Sodom and Gomorrah angle are new but the information regarding the date of destruction is the same. Both articles complement each other.

Whitewave said:

Just noticed in the Similar Threads section below that KD's thread is available.

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Perhaps these threads should be merged, if possible?

These two short pieces from 2011 have more information about Fontana's Canal, all of which fits with KD's post
https://stolenhistory.net/threads/79-a-d-no-more-pompeii-got-buried-in-1631.2024/
and with Petrenko's additions. One of Petrenko's books is in the videos as well.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwrxGhOtAug&feature=youtu.be


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbrobt74ZBk

Tschurilow, the author in the video and first proponent of Pompeii destroyed in 1631, had a website
http://www.tschurilow.de/index.php/de/which is down froma about the same period of stolenhistory.org
This is bad news also because it contained other info on Pompeii AND an incredible article on the real site of the battle of Teutoburg.
Has anyone an idea on how to recover those articles?

Silveryou said:

Has anyone an idea on how to recover those articles?

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I had searched for archived versions but there's nothing on the web, unfortunately.