International to international transfer in Miami and through baggage checking
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International to international transfer in Miami and through baggage checking
I will be doing an international to international transfer in Miami (flying AA) arriving from London Heathrow and connecting to Bogota. Do I need to pick up my checked bags in Miami or is there a similar arrangement as in Houston where I did not need to pick up my bags and clear US customs when I connected from Bogota to Amsterdam on Continental earlier this year?
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RE: Do I need to pick up my checked bags in Miami ?
Answer : Yes
Answer : Yes
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I will be doing an international to international transfer in Miami (flying AA) arriving from London Heathrow and connecting to Bogota. Do I need to pick up my checked bags in Miami or is there a similar arrangement as in Houston where I did not need to pick up my bags and clear US customs when I connected from Bogota to Amsterdam on Continental earlier this year?
In Miami you will need to follow this procedure.
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I have experienced once that from LIM-MIA on LAN and then on from MIA-SDQ on AA (same ticket) that my bags were checked through all the way. I did not have to collect my bags in MIA to clear customs. I did however have to clear immigration and walk through customs (without bags).
This was in 2008
Edit:
I just found that my parents had this experience as well when flying with Virgin Atlantic where they did an international-to-international connection in MIA (Cayman Airways from GCM to MIA and then to LHR with Virgin Atlantic). They did not have to pick up bags in MIA. Details on VS info here
"Bags automatically transferred to international flights."
This was in 2008
Edit:
I just found that my parents had this experience as well when flying with Virgin Atlantic where they did an international-to-international connection in MIA (Cayman Airways from GCM to MIA and then to LHR with Virgin Atlantic). They did not have to pick up bags in MIA. Details on VS info here
"Bags automatically transferred to international flights."
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This is good news indeed!
I'm glad to hear that the baggage exemption is coming back online, if only at MIA. Right after 9/11, it went away....all bags had to be picked up regardless of final destination.
Then, after a few years, they started allowing pax transiting Int'l->USA->Canada to have their bags delivered directly to the Canadian-bound aircraft.
More recently, they seem to be adding more international destinations back onto the list of eligible markets for direct baggage delivery.
Two important points:
1) This program does NOT eliminate the need for clearing US FIS. Arriving travelers must still clear Passport Control and then Customs/Agriculture (though without their checked luggage if applicable). They still must fill out a Customs Declaration and have all applicable visa paperwork as applicable.
2) Seems to be available at MIA only. Perhaps the MIA airport authority negotiated a special deal with CBP/DHS. I hypothesize that MIA has some of the highest numbers of ITI passengers of any major U.S. airport (since it is a major gateway between Caribbean/Central/South America and Europe/Canada).
Evidence supporting #2 above:
- Last year, I came into the country several times at MIA, and many times at other major airports too (DFW, ORD, JFK). Upon arrivial into DFW/ORD/JFK, the arrival video (or PA announcement) said "all travelers must claim your luggage here at ORD/DFW/JFK, regardless of your final destination."
But upon arrival into MIA, the announcement each time said, "If you are connecting directly to an international flight, please see the agent at the aircraft door to check if you will need to pick up your luggage here at MIA."
So, I think MIA might have a special arrangement with CBP given high levels of ITI pax.
Let's also not overlook the fact that many travelers coming from Latin America tend to travel with ridiculous amounts of luggage, and unconventional baggage (oversize, boxes, cartons, etc) that are a big nuisance for handlers. Big, bulky, unusual-shaped bags are also a red flag for Customs, which could result in a LOT of CBP resources wasted searching the luggage of passengers who are simply transiting the USA on the way to another international destination.
I'm glad to hear that the baggage exemption is coming back online, if only at MIA. Right after 9/11, it went away....all bags had to be picked up regardless of final destination.
Then, after a few years, they started allowing pax transiting Int'l->USA->Canada to have their bags delivered directly to the Canadian-bound aircraft.
More recently, they seem to be adding more international destinations back onto the list of eligible markets for direct baggage delivery.
Two important points:
1) This program does NOT eliminate the need for clearing US FIS. Arriving travelers must still clear Passport Control and then Customs/Agriculture (though without their checked luggage if applicable). They still must fill out a Customs Declaration and have all applicable visa paperwork as applicable.
2) Seems to be available at MIA only. Perhaps the MIA airport authority negotiated a special deal with CBP/DHS. I hypothesize that MIA has some of the highest numbers of ITI passengers of any major U.S. airport (since it is a major gateway between Caribbean/Central/South America and Europe/Canada).
Evidence supporting #2 above:
- Last year, I came into the country several times at MIA, and many times at other major airports too (DFW, ORD, JFK). Upon arrivial into DFW/ORD/JFK, the arrival video (or PA announcement) said "all travelers must claim your luggage here at ORD/DFW/JFK, regardless of your final destination."
But upon arrival into MIA, the announcement each time said, "If you are connecting directly to an international flight, please see the agent at the aircraft door to check if you will need to pick up your luggage here at MIA."
So, I think MIA might have a special arrangement with CBP given high levels of ITI pax.
Let's also not overlook the fact that many travelers coming from Latin America tend to travel with ridiculous amounts of luggage, and unconventional baggage (oversize, boxes, cartons, etc) that are a big nuisance for handlers. Big, bulky, unusual-shaped bags are also a red flag for Customs, which could result in a LOT of CBP resources wasted searching the luggage of passengers who are simply transiting the USA on the way to another international destination.
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ITI is alive and well at DFW too and has been for a while. I first became aware of it when travelling MEX-DFW-LHR in November 2008. The red ITI tags were put on the luggage in MEX and I never saw the bags again until arrival at LHR. I also did EZE-DFW-MEX both ways in 2009 without collecting bags. It certainly makes things easier.
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Not sure how you did an International to International connection in IAH without having to pass US Immigration, claim your luggage, and clear US Customs. Post 9-11 the United States has required ALL international transit passengers to clear US Immigration and Customs formalities when transiting a US port.
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ITI is alive and well at DFW too and has been for a while. I first became aware of it when travelling MEX-DFW-LHR in November 2008. The red ITI tags were put on the luggage in MEX and I never saw the bags again until arrival at LHR. I also did EZE-DFW-MEX both ways in 2009 without collecting bags. It certainly makes things easier.
Guys:
Just be careful because it’s not a permanent situation. Sometimes (at MIA or DFW) they make you pick up your bags and sometimes they make the transfer automatically.
I think its parte of the random game they play to make it harder on possible terrorist acts.
One way to know if the International Transfer program is on for the day you are travelling is if they put an IT red label on your luggage at the original check-in counter. Then you can be sure you don’t have to pick up your bags and they will be transferred automatically.
If no red label, I would hang around the carrousel just in case…
Cheers
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Which once again illustrates the stupidity of (many of) the anti-terrorism measures..... How does giving a passenger access to his bags during a transfer make the country safer?
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While related to Security but OT, last time flying out of GRU in late May paxs just waved onto the a/c without an additional screening (the flight was already about an hour late). Not sure if GRU said the heck with it this time we need the gate or if its now just a random secondary screening.
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It's not the giving the passenger access to the bags that increases security, but the fact that between the baggage carousel and the transfer baggage re-check desks is Customs inspection. This means a Customs officer gets to eyeball each passenger and their bags, go through their passport, ask them questions, and optionally inspect the checked bags in the passenger's presence.
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It's not the giving the passenger access to the bags that increases security, but the fact that between the baggage carousel and the transfer baggage re-check desks is Customs inspection. This means a Customs officer gets to eyeball each passenger and their bags, go through their passport, ask them questions, and optionally inspect the checked bags in the passenger's presence.
If we don't trust foreign airports to properly screen, then just x ray it in the US. Wouldn't a LHR-MIA-SDQ bag then get the same inspection as a DFW-MIA-SDQ bag.
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There is a separate lane for "transit pax". This lane can also be used by pax who have no checked luggage (but ending their travel in the USA).
There are actually 3 lanes = one for US citizens, two for non-US-citizens.