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re: Class of 2019 Recruiting MEGATHREAD: That's a Wrap Edition
Posted on 2/9/18 at 8:19 am to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 2/9/18 at 8:19 am to MontyFranklyn
quote:
Can someone explain the usefulness of silent committing.
Kid trying to reserve a spot in the class. It's like the opposite of Quay Walker who was a silent decommit.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 8:26 am to Buckeye06
quote:
Minnesota is gorgeous in the summer, and recruits will have an amazing time there
I have some very good friends from Michigan that moved here to Louisiana and I've heard Michigan is very nice in the summer as well. I think the perception from those of us who don't travel north is it's more city than country but they save they have nice parks and lakes up there. I think what we see in the future are kids that usually are used as back ups to the elites will sign early which is kind of what happened to alabama. Whereas years past when Bama missed in an elite player and simply grabbed another player to fill that spot those guys were already signed and weren't available to grab at the 11th hour.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 8:48 am to labamafan
Next posts: Targets/Commits | Roster/Depth
Recruiting Calendar | Signing/Counter Limits
Alabama: Recruiting Classes | Transfer Portal
Composite Rankings: Player | Team | Talent
Concensus Rankings: Player | Team
Top 5 Classes: 330.72 TA '22 | 327.76 AL '21
324.62 UF '10 | 323.87 AL '17 | 323.31 GA '18
BOL Podcasts (free) provide a lot of nuggets
that are otherwise kept behind BOL's paywall.
Fall games on ESPN featuring Tide commits
Recruiting Calendar | Signing/Counter Limits
Alabama: Recruiting Classes | Transfer Portal
Composite Rankings: Player | Team | Talent
Concensus Rankings: Player | Team
Top 5 Classes: 330.72 TA '22 | 327.76 AL '21
324.62 UF '10 | 323.87 AL '17 | 323.31 GA '18
BOL Podcasts (free) provide a lot of nuggets
that are otherwise kept behind BOL's paywall.
Fall games on ESPN featuring Tide commits
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 8:48 am to TidalSurge1
2023 Top Targets (28) | Commits (21) | Offers
Campus Visits | Announcements | Decommits
(commits bold | early signee^/early enrollee*)
Quarterbacks (2)
4* QB Eli Holstein 6-3.5/225 LA hudl *
4* QB Dylan Lonergan 6-1/220 GA hudl
Running Backs (2)
5* RB Richard Young 5-11/200 FL hudl *
4* RB Justice Haynes 5-11/193 GA hudl *
Wide Receivers (3)
4* WR Malik Benson 6-0/185 KS/Juco hudl *
4* WR Cole Adams 5-10/175 OK hudl
4* WR Jalen Hale 6-0.5/185 TX hudl
3* WR Jaren Hamilton 6-1/178 FL hudl
Tight Ends (1-2)
4* TE Ty Lockwood 6-5/225 TN hudl *
4* TE Lawson Luckie 6-3/240 GA hudl GA
Offensive Line (5)
4* OT Wilkin Formby 6-7/300 AL hudl *
4* OT Olaus Alinen 6-7/315 CT hudl *
4* OL Miles McVay 6-6/358 IL hudl *
3* OL Ryqueze McElderry 6-3/340 AL hudl *
3* OT Raymond Pulido 6-6/320 CA hudl
Defensive Line (4-5)
4* DL Hunter Osborne 6-4/267 AL hudl *
4* DL Edric Hill 6-3/290 MO hudl *
4* DE Jordan Renaud 6-3.5/245 TX hudl
5* DL James Smith 6-3/320 AL hudl
4* DL Daevin Hobbs 6-4/257 NC hudl
4* DL Kelby Collins 6-4/285 AL hudl UF
5* DL Peter Woods 6-3/259 AL hudl CU
Linebackers (4-5)
4* OLB Yhonzae Pierre 6-3/221 AL hudl
3* LB Justin Jefferson 6-2/220 TN/Juco hudl *
5* OLB Keon Keeley 6-6/245 FL hudl ND
4* LB Suntarine Perkins 6-3/210 MS hudl OM
4* OLB Damon Wilson 6-3.5/235 FL hudl
4* LB Qua Russaw 6-2/230 AL hudl
Defensive Backs (5)
5* CB Jahlil Hurley 6-2/170 AL hudl *
5* S/CB Tony Mitchell 6-2/180 AL hudl *
3* S/QB Brayson Hubbard 6-1/195 MS hudl
5* S Caleb Downs 5-11.5/195 GA hudl *
5* CB Cormani McClain 6-1.5/165 FL hudl
4* S/CB Makari Vickers 6-1/180 FL hudl
5* CB Desmond Ricks 6-1/175 IMG/VA hudl
Note: Desmond Ricks might reclassify to 2023
Specialists (1)
_* K/P Conor Talty 6-1/195 IL hudl
Campus Visits | Announcements | Decommits
(commits bold | early signee^/early enrollee*)
Quarterbacks (2)
4* QB Eli Holstein 6-3.5/225 LA hudl *
4* QB Dylan Lonergan 6-1/220 GA hudl
Running Backs (2)
5* RB Richard Young 5-11/200 FL hudl *
4* RB Justice Haynes 5-11/193 GA hudl *
Wide Receivers (3)
4* WR Malik Benson 6-0/185 KS/Juco hudl *
4* WR Cole Adams 5-10/175 OK hudl
4* WR Jalen Hale 6-0.5/185 TX hudl
3* WR Jaren Hamilton 6-1/178 FL hudl
Tight Ends (1-2)
4* TE Ty Lockwood 6-5/225 TN hudl *
4* TE Lawson Luckie 6-3/240 GA hudl GA
Offensive Line (5)
4* OT Wilkin Formby 6-7/300 AL hudl *
4* OT Olaus Alinen 6-7/315 CT hudl *
4* OL Miles McVay 6-6/358 IL hudl *
3* OL Ryqueze McElderry 6-3/340 AL hudl *
3* OT Raymond Pulido 6-6/320 CA hudl
Defensive Line (4-5)
4* DL Hunter Osborne 6-4/267 AL hudl *
4* DL Edric Hill 6-3/290 MO hudl *
4* DE Jordan Renaud 6-3.5/245 TX hudl
5* DL James Smith 6-3/320 AL hudl
4* DL Daevin Hobbs 6-4/257 NC hudl
4* DL Kelby Collins 6-4/285 AL hudl UF
5* DL Peter Woods 6-3/259 AL hudl CU
Linebackers (4-5)
4* OLB Yhonzae Pierre 6-3/221 AL hudl
3* LB Justin Jefferson 6-2/220 TN/Juco hudl *
5* OLB Keon Keeley 6-6/245 FL hudl ND
4* LB Suntarine Perkins 6-3/210 MS hudl OM
4* OLB Damon Wilson 6-3.5/235 FL hudl
4* LB Qua Russaw 6-2/230 AL hudl
Defensive Backs (5)
5* CB Jahlil Hurley 6-2/170 AL hudl *
5* S/CB Tony Mitchell 6-2/180 AL hudl *
3* S/QB Brayson Hubbard 6-1/195 MS hudl
5* S Caleb Downs 5-11.5/195 GA hudl *
5* CB Cormani McClain 6-1.5/165 FL hudl
4* S/CB Makari Vickers 6-1/180 FL hudl
5* CB Desmond Ricks 6-1/175 IMG/VA hudl
Note: Desmond Ricks might reclassify to 2023
Specialists (1)
_* K/P Conor Talty 6-1/195 IL hudl
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 8:48 am to TidalSurge1
2022 Commits (30) | Top Targets (0) | Offers
Campus Visits | Announcements | Decommits
(commits bold | early signee^/early enrollee*)
Quarterbacks (1)
5* QB Ty Simpson 6-2/185 TN hudl *
Running Backs (3)
4* RB Emmanuel Henderson 6-1/185 AL hudl ^
4* RB Jamarion Miller 5-10/195 TX hudl *
4* RB Jahmyr Gibbs 5-9/191 GA (transfer) *
Wide Receivers (7)
4* WR Kobe Prentice 5-10/171 AL hudl ^
5* WR Aaron Anderson 5-9/185 LA hudl *
4* WR Isaiah Bond 5-10.5/175 GA hudl ^
4* ATH Kendrick Law 5-11/195 LA hudl *
4* WR Shazz Preston 6-0/190 LA hudl ^
4* WR Jermaine Burton 6-0/200 GA (transfer)*
3* WR Tyler Harrell 6-0/165 FL (transfer)
Tight Ends (4)
4* ATH Amari Niblack 6-4/220 FL hudl ^
4* TE/P Elijah Brown 6-5/230 OH hudl *
3* TE Danny Lewis 6-4.5/255 LA hudl
0* TE Miles Kitselman 6-5/250 Juco/KS hudl
Offensive Line (4)
4* OT Tyler Booker 6-5/325 IMG/NJ hudl *
4* OT Elijah Pritchett 6-6/280 GA hudl ^
3* OT Dayne Shor 6-6/295 GA hudl *
3* OT Tyler Steen 6-5/317 FL (transfer)
Defensive Line (3)
4* DT Jaheim Oatis 6-4/370 MS hudl *
4* DL Isaiah Hastings 6-4/290 FL hudl ^
4* DL Khurtiss Perry 6-2/265 AL hudl *
4* DE Walter Bob 6-4/245 LA hudl (to Juco)
Linebackers (3)
4* ILB Shawn Murphy 6-2/215 VA hudl *
5* LB Jeremiah Alexander 6-2/235 AL hudl *
5* LB Jihaad Campbell 6-3/215 IMG/NJ hudl *
Defensive Backs (5)
3* S Jake Pope 6-1/190 GA hudl ^
4* S Antonio Kite 6-1/180 AL hudl ^
4* CB Trequon Fegans 6-2/181 AL hudl *
4* CB Earl Little Jr. 6-0/175 FL hudl ^
5* CB Elias Ricks 6-2/192 CA (transfer) *
Specialists (PWO)
K Upton Bellenfant 6-2/175 TN
LS Alex Rozier 6-4/220 MS
Campus Visits | Announcements | Decommits
(commits bold | early signee^/early enrollee*)
Quarterbacks (1)
5* QB Ty Simpson 6-2/185 TN hudl *
Running Backs (3)
4* RB Emmanuel Henderson 6-1/185 AL hudl ^
4* RB Jamarion Miller 5-10/195 TX hudl *
4* RB Jahmyr Gibbs 5-9/191 GA (transfer) *
Wide Receivers (7)
4* WR Kobe Prentice 5-10/171 AL hudl ^
5* WR Aaron Anderson 5-9/185 LA hudl *
4* WR Isaiah Bond 5-10.5/175 GA hudl ^
4* ATH Kendrick Law 5-11/195 LA hudl *
4* WR Shazz Preston 6-0/190 LA hudl ^
4* WR Jermaine Burton 6-0/200 GA (transfer)*
3* WR Tyler Harrell 6-0/165 FL (transfer)
Tight Ends (4)
4* ATH Amari Niblack 6-4/220 FL hudl ^
4* TE/P Elijah Brown 6-5/230 OH hudl *
3* TE Danny Lewis 6-4.5/255 LA hudl
0* TE Miles Kitselman 6-5/250 Juco/KS hudl
Offensive Line (4)
4* OT Tyler Booker 6-5/325 IMG/NJ hudl *
4* OT Elijah Pritchett 6-6/280 GA hudl ^
3* OT Dayne Shor 6-6/295 GA hudl *
3* OT Tyler Steen 6-5/317 FL (transfer)
Defensive Line (3)
4* DT Jaheim Oatis 6-4/370 MS hudl *
4* DL Isaiah Hastings 6-4/290 FL hudl ^
4* DL Khurtiss Perry 6-2/265 AL hudl *
4* DE Walter Bob 6-4/245 LA hudl (to Juco)
Linebackers (3)
4* ILB Shawn Murphy 6-2/215 VA hudl *
5* LB Jeremiah Alexander 6-2/235 AL hudl *
5* LB Jihaad Campbell 6-3/215 IMG/NJ hudl *
Defensive Backs (5)
3* S Jake Pope 6-1/190 GA hudl ^
4* S Antonio Kite 6-1/180 AL hudl ^
4* CB Trequon Fegans 6-2/181 AL hudl *
4* CB Earl Little Jr. 6-0/175 FL hudl ^
5* CB Elias Ricks 6-2/192 CA (transfer) *
Specialists (PWO)
K Upton Bellenfant 6-2/175 TN
LS Alex Rozier 6-4/220 MS
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 8:48 am to TidalSurge1
2022 Roster/Depth (85) Transfer Portal - Bama
(Eligibility: * = redshirt; ^ = 2020 didn't count.)
Counters: 86 (2 Gr, 13 Sr, 22 Jr, 13 So, 36 Fr),
including new enrollees; 16 in Jan, 14 in May°.
Quarterbacks (3)
Jr: B Young^
Fr: J Milroe*, T Simpson
Running Backs (5)
Jr: Sanders*^, McClellan^, Williams^, J Gibbs^
Fr: J Miller
Wide Receivers (13)
Sr: T Harrell*^°
Jr: T Holden^, T Jones-Bell^, J Burton^
So: J Brooks, JJ Earle, C Leary
Fr: A Anderson, I Bond°, E Henderson°
Fr: K Law, K Prentice°, S Preston°
Tight Ends (6)
Sr: C Latu*^
Jr: M Kitselman°
So: R Ouzts
Fr: E Brown, D Lewis° A Niblack°
O-Line (16)
Gr: K Randolph*^, Tyler Steen^°
Sr: E Ekiyor*^, D Dalcourt^
Jr: T Bowles*^, A Kight*^, J Cohen^, D George^
So: S McLaughlin^, JC Latham
Fr: J Brockermeyer*, T Brockermeyer*
Fr: T Ferguson*, J Roberts*,
Fr: T Booker, E Pritchett°
D-Line (13)
Sr: DJ Dale^, J Eboigbe^, B Young^
Jr: J Burroughs^, T Smith^
So: J Latham*^,
Fr: A Barnes*, Goodwine*, T Keenan*, D Payne*
Fr: J Oatis, K Perry, I Hastings°
Inside LBs (7)
Sr: J Moody*^, H Tóotóo^
Jr: D Kennedy^
So: K Blackshire
Fr: D Lawson*, I Jackson*, S Murphy
Outside LBs (7)
Jr: W Anderson^, C Braswell^
So: Q Robinson*^, D Turner
Fr: K Koht*, J Alexander, J Campbell
Safeties (7)
Sr: J Battle^, D Hellams^
Jr: B Branch^, M Moore^
So: K Story*^, D Smith
Fr: J Pope°
Cornerbacks (8)
Sr: K Jackson^
Jr: E Ricks^, J Robinson^
So: G McKinstry
Fr: T Arnold*, T Fegans, A Kite°, E Little Jr°
Specialists (1)
Sr: K/P W Reichard^
Specialists (0) - Walkons
Sr: K/P J Martin
Jr: K/P C Allen, P S Johnson
So: P J Burnip, LS K Hibbett
Fr: K U Bellenfant°, LS A Rozier°
Alabama's 2022 roster breakdown (BOL)
Participation chart, redshirt candidates (BOL)
Offensive starters leaving & returning (BOL)
Defensive starters leaving & returning (BOL)
Updated scholarship numbers for UA (On3)
Transfer portal departures, additions (On3)
Roster update: Ingraham no longer listed (BOL)
Scholarship Chart for 2022 (BI)
(Eligibility: * = redshirt; ^ = 2020 didn't count.)
Counters: 86 (2 Gr, 13 Sr, 22 Jr, 13 So, 36 Fr),
including new enrollees; 16 in Jan, 14 in May°.
Quarterbacks (3)
Jr: B Young^
Fr: J Milroe*, T Simpson
Running Backs (5)
Jr: Sanders*^, McClellan^, Williams^, J Gibbs^
Fr: J Miller
Wide Receivers (13)
Sr: T Harrell*^°
Jr: T Holden^, T Jones-Bell^, J Burton^
So: J Brooks, JJ Earle, C Leary
Fr: A Anderson, I Bond°, E Henderson°
Fr: K Law, K Prentice°, S Preston°
Tight Ends (6)
Sr: C Latu*^
Jr: M Kitselman°
So: R Ouzts
Fr: E Brown, D Lewis° A Niblack°
O-Line (16)
Gr: K Randolph*^, Tyler Steen^°
Sr: E Ekiyor*^, D Dalcourt^
Jr: T Bowles*^, A Kight*^, J Cohen^, D George^
So: S McLaughlin^, JC Latham
Fr: J Brockermeyer*, T Brockermeyer*
Fr: T Ferguson*, J Roberts*,
Fr: T Booker, E Pritchett°
D-Line (13)
Sr: DJ Dale^, J Eboigbe^, B Young^
Jr: J Burroughs^, T Smith^
So: J Latham*^,
Fr: A Barnes*, Goodwine*, T Keenan*, D Payne*
Fr: J Oatis, K Perry, I Hastings°
Inside LBs (7)
Sr: J Moody*^, H Tóotóo^
Jr: D Kennedy^
So: K Blackshire
Fr: D Lawson*, I Jackson*, S Murphy
Outside LBs (7)
Jr: W Anderson^, C Braswell^
So: Q Robinson*^, D Turner
Fr: K Koht*, J Alexander, J Campbell
Safeties (7)
Sr: J Battle^, D Hellams^
Jr: B Branch^, M Moore^
So: K Story*^, D Smith
Fr: J Pope°
Cornerbacks (8)
Sr: K Jackson^
Jr: E Ricks^, J Robinson^
So: G McKinstry
Fr: T Arnold*, T Fegans, A Kite°, E Little Jr°
Specialists (1)
Sr: K/P W Reichard^
Specialists (0) - Walkons
Sr: K/P J Martin
Jr: K/P C Allen, P S Johnson
So: P J Burnip, LS K Hibbett
Fr: K U Bellenfant°, LS A Rozier°
Alabama's 2022 roster breakdown (BOL)
Participation chart, redshirt candidates (BOL)
Offensive starters leaving & returning (BOL)
Defensive starters leaving & returning (BOL)
Updated scholarship numbers for UA (On3)
Transfer portal departures, additions (On3)
Roster update: Ingraham no longer listed (BOL)
Scholarship Chart for 2022 (BI)
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:57 am to TidalSurge1
Recruiting Calendar - Aug 2021 to Jul 2022
08/01-08/31 - Dead Period - No in-person.
09/01-11/27 - Quiet Period - No off-campus;
also 48-hrs before-after August home game.
09/01-11/27 - Quiet/Evaluation Period - Allows 56 evaluation days selected by institution; may visit a recruit's school once.
11/28-01/29 - Contact Period - Allows six in-person contact days (1 visit/week) per recruit.
12/12-12/12 - Quiet Period - No off-campus.
12/13-01/13 - Dead Period - No in-person, except week before early enrollee's 1st class.
12/15-12/17 - Early Signing Period
01/30-01/30 - Quiet Period - No off-campus.
01/31-02/28 - Dead Period - No in-person.
02/02-04/01 - National Signing Day / Period
03/01-04/14 - Quiet Period - No off-campus.
04/15-05/31 - Quiet/Evaluation Period - Allows 168 evaluation days selected by institution; may visit a recruit's school twice.
06/01-07/31 - Quiet Period - No off-campus.
06/27-07/24 - Dead Period - No in-person.
Recruiting 101 - The Calendar (Rivals)
NCAA official visit rules (NCSA)
NCAA confirms June 1 return to regular Div. I recruiting calendars (247)
08/01-08/31 - Dead Period - No in-person.
09/01-11/27 - Quiet Period - No off-campus;
also 48-hrs before-after August home game.
09/01-11/27 - Quiet/Evaluation Period - Allows 56 evaluation days selected by institution; may visit a recruit's school once.
11/28-01/29 - Contact Period - Allows six in-person contact days (1 visit/week) per recruit.
12/12-12/12 - Quiet Period - No off-campus.
12/13-01/13 - Dead Period - No in-person, except week before early enrollee's 1st class.
12/15-12/17 - Early Signing Period
01/30-01/30 - Quiet Period - No off-campus.
01/31-02/28 - Dead Period - No in-person.
02/02-04/01 - National Signing Day / Period
03/01-04/14 - Quiet Period - No off-campus.
04/15-05/31 - Quiet/Evaluation Period - Allows 168 evaluation days selected by institution; may visit a recruit's school twice.
06/01-07/31 - Quiet Period - No off-campus.
06/27-07/24 - Dead Period - No in-person.
Recruiting 101 - The Calendar (Rivals)
NCAA official visit rules (NCSA)
NCAA confirms June 1 return to regular Div. I recruiting calendars (247)
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:57 am to TidalSurge1
NCAA Bylaws: Signing and Counter Limits
NCAA Bylaws sections concerning FBS signing and counter limits are posted below. Although the basic 25/85 (initial/total) scholarship limits are fairly common knowledge, there are common misconceptions about them too. So, here are seven important things to understand:
1) Transfers (all types) do count toward annual signee and initial counter limits. There's nothing in the Bylaws stating that transfers are exempt. 15.5.1.10.1 states that prospective student-athletes and student-athletes (all-inclusive) do count toward the signing limit. 15.02.3 defines "counter" as an individual (all-inclusive) who is on a countable scholarship. 15.02.3.1 defines “initial counter” as a counter (all-inclusive) who is receiving an initial countable scholarship.
NCAA approves waiver to help teams replace transfers (espn) | NCAA waives 25 signings & initial counters limits for two years (athletic)
2) Non-qualifiers who signed an NLI still count against their original signee spot and then become an initial counter at that school if/when they enroll there after JUCO.
3) Grayshirts (15.5.6.3.2) — Deferred enrollees (after fall term) may count toward signing and initial counter limits for the next academic year.
4) Blueshirts (15.5.6.3.4) — The signings limit (effective for the 2018 cycle) ends the ability for non-recruited (no OV, no off-campus meeting, no NLI; 15.02.8) players to receive fall scholarships (within the 85 limit) and count toward the next year's initial counters limit because they'll count toward the current academic year's signing limit.
5) Early enrollees (15.5.6.3.5) that are midyear replacements for December or prior academic year graduates may be counted against unused prior-cycle signee and initial counter spots. FBS schools may only use the midyear replacement option if they had 85 counters in the fall term.
6) Non-athletic aid (15.5.6.3.7) — A recruited player (OV, off-campus meeting or NLI; 15.02.8) on non-athletic scholarship only counts toward initial and total limits if/when he plays in a game. Exception (15.5.1.2.1) — A recruited player on academic scholarship, after one year with a 3.0/4.0 GPA, may then play and remain a non-counter. Apparently, a non-recruited player on non-athletic aid may play as a non-counter.
7) Voluntary Withdrawal (15.5.6.4.1) — This Bylaws section is at the end of the next post, followed by 2 posts explaining how voluntary withdrawal replacement scholarships can be given to new recruits to avoid them counting against annual signing & inital counter limits.
Helpful articles: Asking for NLI Release - FAQs;
A deep dive inside the NCAA's tweaked 25-man signing limit; Q&A on 25-Signing Cap, Transfers, Walk-ons, more; What is an academic redshirt?; How is academic redshirt certification different than competition certification?; When college coaches can contact high school athletes; The facts about “guaranteed” multi-year NCAA DI scholarships; Facts about NCAA DI transfers
NCAA Bylaws: (PDF - free download)
15.02.3 Counter. A “counter” is an individual who is receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport.
15.02.3.1 Initial Counter. An “initial counter” is a counter who is receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time. (See Bylaw 15.5.6.3 in football for instances in which the institution is permitted to defer the counting of such financial aid until the following academic year.)
15.02.8 Recruited Student-Athlete. For purpose of Bylaw 15, a recruited student-athlete is a student-athlete who, as a prospective student-athlete: (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Was provided an official visit to the institution’s campus;
(b) Had an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with a member of the institution’s coaching staff (including any such encounter with the prospective student-athlete’s parents, relatives or legal guardians); or
(c) Was issued a National Letter of Intent or a written offer of athletically related financial aid by the institution for a regular academic term.
15.5.1.10.1 Limitation on Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings. [FBS] For the football bowl subdivision, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid and student-athletes who may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time. (Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
15.5.1.10.1.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent (NLI) or an institutional offer of financial aid or student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent (NLI) or an institutional offer of financial aid or student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the next academic year. (Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
15.5.1.10.1.2 Exception—Agreement After One Year. [FBS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least one academic year may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time without counting toward the annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17, Revised: 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18)
15.5.1.10.1.3 Exception—Incapacitating Injury or Illness. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete or student-athlete who, prior to participation in athletically related activities, becomes injured or ill to the point that he or she apparently never again will be able to participate in intercollegiate athletics shall not count toward the institution’s annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
The NCAA Bylaws concerning how players are counted against the 25 initial counters and 85 total counters limits are in the next post.
NCAA Bylaws sections concerning FBS signing and counter limits are posted below. Although the basic 25/85 (initial/total) scholarship limits are fairly common knowledge, there are common misconceptions about them too. So, here are seven important things to understand:
1) Transfers (all types) do count toward annual signee and initial counter limits. There's nothing in the Bylaws stating that transfers are exempt. 15.5.1.10.1 states that prospective student-athletes and student-athletes (all-inclusive) do count toward the signing limit. 15.02.3 defines "counter" as an individual (all-inclusive) who is on a countable scholarship. 15.02.3.1 defines “initial counter” as a counter (all-inclusive) who is receiving an initial countable scholarship.
NCAA approves waiver to help teams replace transfers (espn) | NCAA waives 25 signings & initial counters limits for two years (athletic)
2) Non-qualifiers who signed an NLI still count against their original signee spot and then become an initial counter at that school if/when they enroll there after JUCO.
3) Grayshirts (15.5.6.3.2) — Deferred enrollees (after fall term) may count toward signing and initial counter limits for the next academic year.
4) Blueshirts (15.5.6.3.4) — The signings limit (effective for the 2018 cycle) ends the ability for non-recruited (no OV, no off-campus meeting, no NLI; 15.02.8) players to receive fall scholarships (within the 85 limit) and count toward the next year's initial counters limit because they'll count toward the current academic year's signing limit.
5) Early enrollees (15.5.6.3.5) that are midyear replacements for December or prior academic year graduates may be counted against unused prior-cycle signee and initial counter spots. FBS schools may only use the midyear replacement option if they had 85 counters in the fall term.
6) Non-athletic aid (15.5.6.3.7) — A recruited player (OV, off-campus meeting or NLI; 15.02.8) on non-athletic scholarship only counts toward initial and total limits if/when he plays in a game. Exception (15.5.1.2.1) — A recruited player on academic scholarship, after one year with a 3.0/4.0 GPA, may then play and remain a non-counter. Apparently, a non-recruited player on non-athletic aid may play as a non-counter.
7) Voluntary Withdrawal (15.5.6.4.1) — This Bylaws section is at the end of the next post, followed by 2 posts explaining how voluntary withdrawal replacement scholarships can be given to new recruits to avoid them counting against annual signing & inital counter limits.
Helpful articles: Asking for NLI Release - FAQs;
A deep dive inside the NCAA's tweaked 25-man signing limit; Q&A on 25-Signing Cap, Transfers, Walk-ons, more; What is an academic redshirt?; How is academic redshirt certification different than competition certification?; When college coaches can contact high school athletes; The facts about “guaranteed” multi-year NCAA DI scholarships; Facts about NCAA DI transfers
NCAA Bylaws: (PDF - free download)
15.02.3 Counter. A “counter” is an individual who is receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport.
15.02.3.1 Initial Counter. An “initial counter” is a counter who is receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time. (See Bylaw 15.5.6.3 in football for instances in which the institution is permitted to defer the counting of such financial aid until the following academic year.)
15.02.8 Recruited Student-Athlete. For purpose of Bylaw 15, a recruited student-athlete is a student-athlete who, as a prospective student-athlete: (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Was provided an official visit to the institution’s campus;
(b) Had an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with a member of the institution’s coaching staff (including any such encounter with the prospective student-athlete’s parents, relatives or legal guardians); or
(c) Was issued a National Letter of Intent or a written offer of athletically related financial aid by the institution for a regular academic term.
15.5.1.10.1 Limitation on Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings. [FBS] For the football bowl subdivision, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid and student-athletes who may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time. (Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
15.5.1.10.1.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent (NLI) or an institutional offer of financial aid or student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent (NLI) or an institutional offer of financial aid or student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the next academic year. (Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
15.5.1.10.1.2 Exception—Agreement After One Year. [FBS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least one academic year may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time without counting toward the annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17, Revised: 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18)
15.5.1.10.1.3 Exception—Incapacitating Injury or Illness. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete or student-athlete who, prior to participation in athletically related activities, becomes injured or ill to the point that he or she apparently never again will be able to participate in intercollegiate athletics shall not count toward the institution’s annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
The NCAA Bylaws concerning how players are counted against the 25 initial counters and 85 total counters limits are in the next post.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:57 am to TidalSurge1
NCAA Bylaws:
15.5.6 Football Limitations.
15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)
15.5.6.3 Initial Counters—Football (Also see Bylaw 15.02.3.1).
15.5.6.3.1 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering in Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters in the fall term and receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) during the first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that year in football. Therefore, such aid shall not be awarded if the institution has reached its limit on the number of initial counters prior to the award of institutional financial aid to the student-athlete.(Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.3 Recruited Student-Athlete, Aid Received After First Year. [FBS/FCS] A recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) (including a student-athlete who was not a qualifier) who first receives athletically related financial aid after the student-athlete’s first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that academic year in which the aid is first received, if such aid is received during the fall term. However, such a student athlete who first receives athletically related financial aid in the second or third term of an academic year may be considered an initial counter during the academic year in which aid was first received or the next academic year. In either case, the student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/3/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.4 Nonrecruited Student-Athlete Receiving Institutional Financial Aid. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete not recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the institution who receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) after beginning football practice becomes a counter but need not be counted as an initial counter until the next academic year if the institution has reached its initial limit for the year in question. However, the student-athlete shall be considered in the total counter limit for the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.5 Midyear Replacement. [FBS/FCS] A counter who graduates at midyear or who graduates during the previous academic year (including summer) may be replaced by an initial counter, who shall be counted against the initial limit either for the year in which the aid is awarded (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or for the following academic year, or by a student-athlete who was an initial counter in a previous academic year and is returning to the institution after time spent on active duty in the armed services or on an official religious mission. In bowl subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year to the maximum number of overall counters (85 total counters). In championship subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year that equals the maximum number of overall equivalencies or overall counters. (Revised: 4/20/99 effective 8/1/99, 6/8/99, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 8/2/05, 12/15/06, 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08, 4/2/10, 1/15/11)
15.5.6.3.6 Aid First Awarded After Second Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least two academic years may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation. (Adopted: 1/11/89, Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90)
15.5.6.3.7 Recruited Student-Athlete, Varsity Competition. [FBS/FCS] In accordance with Bylaw 15.5.1.2, a recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) receiving institutional financial aid certified as having been granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability becomes an initial counter in the first academic year in which the student-athlete competes on the varsity level. (See Bylaw 15.5.1.2.1.) (Revised: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.8 Returning Two-Year Transfer. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who previously was an initial counter and who transferred to a two-year college shall not be an initial counter upon return to the original institution.
15.5.6.3.9 Delayed Initial Counter Who Does Not Return to School. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who receives countable financial aid but whose status as an initial counter under this bylaw is delayed until the following academic year shall be counted against the initial limit the following academic year, regardless of whether the student-athlete reports for participation or attends the institution in that academic year.
15.5.6.4 Exceptions.
15.5.6.4.1 Voluntary Withdrawal. [FBS/FCS] An institution may replace a counter who voluntarily withdraws from the football team by providing the financial aid to another student who already has enrolled in the institution and is a member of the football squad. For this replacement to occur, the counter must withdraw prior to the first day of classes or before the first game of the season, whichever is earlier, and provide the institution with a signed statement releasing the institution from its obligation to provide institutional financial aid and verifying the voluntary nature of the withdrawal. The institution may immediately (beginning with the fall term) award the financial aid to a student-athlete who has been a member of the team for at least one academic year and has not previously received athletically related financial aid. A student-athlete who has not been a member of the team for at least one academic year may not receive the financial aid during the fall term, but may receive it in a following term (e.g., spring semester, winter quarter). (Revised: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)
15.5.6 Football Limitations.
15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)
15.5.6.3 Initial Counters—Football (Also see Bylaw 15.02.3.1).
15.5.6.3.1 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering in Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters in the fall term and receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) during the first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that year in football. Therefore, such aid shall not be awarded if the institution has reached its limit on the number of initial counters prior to the award of institutional financial aid to the student-athlete.(Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.3 Recruited Student-Athlete, Aid Received After First Year. [FBS/FCS] A recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) (including a student-athlete who was not a qualifier) who first receives athletically related financial aid after the student-athlete’s first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that academic year in which the aid is first received, if such aid is received during the fall term. However, such a student athlete who first receives athletically related financial aid in the second or third term of an academic year may be considered an initial counter during the academic year in which aid was first received or the next academic year. In either case, the student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/3/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.4 Nonrecruited Student-Athlete Receiving Institutional Financial Aid. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete not recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the institution who receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) after beginning football practice becomes a counter but need not be counted as an initial counter until the next academic year if the institution has reached its initial limit for the year in question. However, the student-athlete shall be considered in the total counter limit for the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.5 Midyear Replacement. [FBS/FCS] A counter who graduates at midyear or who graduates during the previous academic year (including summer) may be replaced by an initial counter, who shall be counted against the initial limit either for the year in which the aid is awarded (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or for the following academic year, or by a student-athlete who was an initial counter in a previous academic year and is returning to the institution after time spent on active duty in the armed services or on an official religious mission. In bowl subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year to the maximum number of overall counters (85 total counters). In championship subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year that equals the maximum number of overall equivalencies or overall counters. (Revised: 4/20/99 effective 8/1/99, 6/8/99, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 8/2/05, 12/15/06, 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08, 4/2/10, 1/15/11)
15.5.6.3.6 Aid First Awarded After Second Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least two academic years may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation. (Adopted: 1/11/89, Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90)
15.5.6.3.7 Recruited Student-Athlete, Varsity Competition. [FBS/FCS] In accordance with Bylaw 15.5.1.2, a recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) receiving institutional financial aid certified as having been granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability becomes an initial counter in the first academic year in which the student-athlete competes on the varsity level. (See Bylaw 15.5.1.2.1.) (Revised: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.8 Returning Two-Year Transfer. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who previously was an initial counter and who transferred to a two-year college shall not be an initial counter upon return to the original institution.
15.5.6.3.9 Delayed Initial Counter Who Does Not Return to School. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who receives countable financial aid but whose status as an initial counter under this bylaw is delayed until the following academic year shall be counted against the initial limit the following academic year, regardless of whether the student-athlete reports for participation or attends the institution in that academic year.
15.5.6.4 Exceptions.
15.5.6.4.1 Voluntary Withdrawal. [FBS/FCS] An institution may replace a counter who voluntarily withdraws from the football team by providing the financial aid to another student who already has enrolled in the institution and is a member of the football squad. For this replacement to occur, the counter must withdraw prior to the first day of classes or before the first game of the season, whichever is earlier, and provide the institution with a signed statement releasing the institution from its obligation to provide institutional financial aid and verifying the voluntary nature of the withdrawal. The institution may immediately (beginning with the fall term) award the financial aid to a student-athlete who has been a member of the team for at least one academic year and has not previously received athletically related financial aid. A student-athlete who has not been a member of the team for at least one academic year may not receive the financial aid during the fall term, but may receive it in a following term (e.g., spring semester, winter quarter). (Revised: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:57 am to TidalSurge1
Scholarship #s Tracking ~ Recruiting Classes
Note: The NCAA voluntary withdrawal exception rule mentioned in this and other posts is at the bottom of the post above. The next post below explains how the rule can be used to promptly give replacement scholarships to newly enrolled players, such as those mentioned in this post.
How Bama could take 29 in the 2021 Class:
It appears that Bama had 26 signing limit spots available — 25 2021-cycle spots plus 1 unused 2020-cycle spot that a 2021-class early enrollee could use. It also appears Bama utilized a few voluntary withdrawal replacement scholarships, which don't count toward annual 25 limits, only the 85 total limit. The following explains how Bama has used that exception rule and also saved unused prior-cycle signing and inital counter spots for the next cycle.
How 2020's class counted against NCAA limits:
It appears Bama had 27 available signing limit spots — 25 2020-cycle spots plus two unused 2019-cycle spots that 2020-class early enrollees could use. Bama had 26 2020-cycle signees, including grad transfer TE Carl Tucker and TE Caden Clark, who greyshirted due to still rehabbing from knee surgery and Bama needing to get within the 85 total counters limit for the fall term, but he still counts toward 2020 signing and initial counter limits when he enrolls in Jan 2021. One remaining unused 2020-cycle spot can be used by a 2021-cycle early enrollee.
How 2019's class counted against NCAA limits:
The 2019 class had 28 total counters, including grad transfer Landon Dickerson, but only 23 were counted toward the 2019 cycle's 25 signings and initial counters limits. 2019-class early enrollees Paul Tyson and Will Reichard did not sign NLI or aid agreements. It appears the reason was to qualify for replacement scholarships (via the voluntary withdrawal exception rule -- NCAA Bylaw 15.5.6.4.1) for Vandarious Cowan and Keith Holcombe, who withdrew from the team before the 2018 fall term. Per the rule, they'd count toward the 85 total counters limit, but not the annual signing and initial counter limits. So, Bama only needed 26 signing and inital counter spots for the 28 2019-cycle total counters. Since Bama could "backcount" three 2019-cycle early enrollees against unused 2018-cycle signing and initial counter spots, only 23 of the 26 spots needed for the 2019-class were counted against 2019's 25 signing and initial counter spots. So, that left two unused 2019-cycle signing and initial counter spots available for "backcounting" two 2020 early enrollees.
How 2018's class counted against NCAA limits:
The 2018 class had 23 total counters but only 22 signees and initial counters. Layne Hatcher didn't get a scholarship and non-qualifier Juco enrollee Jordan Davis didn't count toward 2018's 25 signings limit because UA didn"t let him sign an NLI or aid agreement. Instead, a spot was saved for him in case he qualified. Bama also used the voluntary withdrawal exception rule to give 2018 TE Michael Parker a replacement scholarship for Mekhi Brown (who withdrew in 2017) that didn't count toward annual 25 limits, only the 85 limit. So, Bama only used 22 of the 2018-cycle's 25 signing and initial counter spots, leaving three unused 2018-cycle spots that three 2019-cycle early enrollees could count against.
Note: The NCAA voluntary withdrawal exception rule mentioned in this and other posts is at the bottom of the post above. The next post below explains how the rule can be used to promptly give replacement scholarships to newly enrolled players, such as those mentioned in this post.
How Bama could take 29 in the 2021 Class:
It appears that Bama had 26 signing limit spots available — 25 2021-cycle spots plus 1 unused 2020-cycle spot that a 2021-class early enrollee could use. It also appears Bama utilized a few voluntary withdrawal replacement scholarships, which don't count toward annual 25 limits, only the 85 total limit. The following explains how Bama has used that exception rule and also saved unused prior-cycle signing and inital counter spots for the next cycle.
How 2020's class counted against NCAA limits:
It appears Bama had 27 available signing limit spots — 25 2020-cycle spots plus two unused 2019-cycle spots that 2020-class early enrollees could use. Bama had 26 2020-cycle signees, including grad transfer TE Carl Tucker and TE Caden Clark, who greyshirted due to still rehabbing from knee surgery and Bama needing to get within the 85 total counters limit for the fall term, but he still counts toward 2020 signing and initial counter limits when he enrolls in Jan 2021. One remaining unused 2020-cycle spot can be used by a 2021-cycle early enrollee.
How 2019's class counted against NCAA limits:
The 2019 class had 28 total counters, including grad transfer Landon Dickerson, but only 23 were counted toward the 2019 cycle's 25 signings and initial counters limits. 2019-class early enrollees Paul Tyson and Will Reichard did not sign NLI or aid agreements. It appears the reason was to qualify for replacement scholarships (via the voluntary withdrawal exception rule -- NCAA Bylaw 15.5.6.4.1) for Vandarious Cowan and Keith Holcombe, who withdrew from the team before the 2018 fall term. Per the rule, they'd count toward the 85 total counters limit, but not the annual signing and initial counter limits. So, Bama only needed 26 signing and inital counter spots for the 28 2019-cycle total counters. Since Bama could "backcount" three 2019-cycle early enrollees against unused 2018-cycle signing and initial counter spots, only 23 of the 26 spots needed for the 2019-class were counted against 2019's 25 signing and initial counter spots. So, that left two unused 2019-cycle signing and initial counter spots available for "backcounting" two 2020 early enrollees.
How 2018's class counted against NCAA limits:
The 2018 class had 23 total counters but only 22 signees and initial counters. Layne Hatcher didn't get a scholarship and non-qualifier Juco enrollee Jordan Davis didn't count toward 2018's 25 signings limit because UA didn"t let him sign an NLI or aid agreement. Instead, a spot was saved for him in case he qualified. Bama also used the voluntary withdrawal exception rule to give 2018 TE Michael Parker a replacement scholarship for Mekhi Brown (who withdrew in 2017) that didn't count toward annual 25 limits, only the 85 limit. So, Bama only used 22 of the 2018-cycle's 25 signing and initial counter spots, leaving three unused 2018-cycle spots that three 2019-cycle early enrollees could count against.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:57 am to TidalSurge1
Explanation of 15.5.6.4.1 Voluntary Withdrawal:
This exception rule allows for a replacement scholarship (that doesn't count against signing and initial counter limits) if a player voluntarily withdraws from the team. But it does not allow the replacement scholarship to be immediately provided to a new incoming recruit or transfer.
A replacement player must already be a member of the team enrolled without a scholarship before he can receive a replacement scholarship; i.e., he must be a walk-on. Also, if a recruit has already signed an NLI or aid agreement, he will count toward the signings limit for the academic year in which he initially receives financial aid.
That's why Paul Tyson didn't sign an NLI or aid agreement before enrolling. Instead he practiced with the team in December, probably paid his own way as a walk-on for the very short miniterm that's during the break between the fall and spring semesters, and then got the replacement scholarship for the regular full spring semester.
Will Reichard also didn't sign, but he enrolled in January, so he probably paid his way as a walk-on for the short spring-1 term and then got the replacement scholarship for the spring-2 term. Bama offers some courses that way.
A summer enrollee replacement player (e.g., Michael Parker) can also establish walk-on status quickly and cheaply by paying his own way for a short summer-1 or -2 miniterm.
It's also important to understand that the two guys Tyson and Reichard replaced voluntarily withdrew from the team before the prior fall term classes and playing season started. Per the rule, Tyson and Reichard could receive replacement scholarships after that fall term without having been on the team as a walk-on for a full year.
As players continually withdraw from the team and transfer elsewhere, Bama may continue to take advantage of this exception rule.
This exception rule allows for a replacement scholarship (that doesn't count against signing and initial counter limits) if a player voluntarily withdraws from the team. But it does not allow the replacement scholarship to be immediately provided to a new incoming recruit or transfer.
A replacement player must already be a member of the team enrolled without a scholarship before he can receive a replacement scholarship; i.e., he must be a walk-on. Also, if a recruit has already signed an NLI or aid agreement, he will count toward the signings limit for the academic year in which he initially receives financial aid.
That's why Paul Tyson didn't sign an NLI or aid agreement before enrolling. Instead he practiced with the team in December, probably paid his own way as a walk-on for the very short miniterm that's during the break between the fall and spring semesters, and then got the replacement scholarship for the regular full spring semester.
Will Reichard also didn't sign, but he enrolled in January, so he probably paid his way as a walk-on for the short spring-1 term and then got the replacement scholarship for the spring-2 term. Bama offers some courses that way.
A summer enrollee replacement player (e.g., Michael Parker) can also establish walk-on status quickly and cheaply by paying his own way for a short summer-1 or -2 miniterm.
It's also important to understand that the two guys Tyson and Reichard replaced voluntarily withdrew from the team before the prior fall term classes and playing season started. Per the rule, Tyson and Reichard could receive replacement scholarships after that fall term without having been on the team as a walk-on for a full year.
As players continually withdraw from the team and transfer elsewhere, Bama may continue to take advantage of this exception rule.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:57 am to TidalSurge1
2023 MOCK CLASS (26) Score = 326.07
(commits bold)
Quarterbacks (2)
4* QB Eli Holstein 6-3.5/225 LA hudl
4* QB Dylan Lonergan 6-1/220 GA hudl
Running Backs (2)
4* RB Justice Haynes 5-11/193 GA hudl
5* RB Richard Young 5-11/200 FL hudl
Wide Receivers (3)
4* WR Cole Adams 5-10/175 OK hudl
3* WR Malik Benson 5-11.5/185 KS/Juco hudl
3* WR Jaren Hamilton 6-1/178 FL hudl
Tight Ends (0)
Offensive Line (4)
4* OT Wilkin Formby 6-7/300 AL hudl
3* OL Ryqueze McElderry 6-3/340 AL hudl
4* OT Olaus Alinen 6-7/315 CT hudl
4* OT Miles McVay 6-6/358 IL hudl
Defensive Line (4)
4* DL Kelby Collins 6-5/278 AL hudl
4* DE Jordan Renaud 6-4/245 TX hudl
5* DL James Smith 6-4/310 AL hudl
4* DL Hunter Osborne 6-3/250 AL hudl
Linebackers (5)
4* OLB Yhonzae Pierre 6-3/221 AL hudl
3* LB Justin Jefferson 6-2/220 TN/Juco hudl
4* LB Suntarine Perkins 6-3/210 MS hudl OM
4* OLB Damon Wilson 6-3.5/235 FL hudl
4* OLB Qua Russaw 6-3/230 AL hudl
Defensive Backs (5)
5* CB Jahlil Hurley 6-2/170 AL hudl
5* S/CB Tony Mitchell 6-2/180 AL hudl
3* S/QB Brayson Hubbard 6-1/195 MS hudl
5* S Caleb Downs 5-11.5/195 GA hudl
5* CB Cormani McClain 6-1.5/165 FL hudl
Specialists (1)
_* K/P Conor Talty 6-1/195 IL hudl
(commits bold)
Quarterbacks (2)
4* QB Eli Holstein 6-3.5/225 LA hudl
4* QB Dylan Lonergan 6-1/220 GA hudl
Running Backs (2)
4* RB Justice Haynes 5-11/193 GA hudl
5* RB Richard Young 5-11/200 FL hudl
Wide Receivers (3)
4* WR Cole Adams 5-10/175 OK hudl
3* WR Malik Benson 5-11.5/185 KS/Juco hudl
3* WR Jaren Hamilton 6-1/178 FL hudl
Tight Ends (0)
Offensive Line (4)
4* OT Wilkin Formby 6-7/300 AL hudl
3* OL Ryqueze McElderry 6-3/340 AL hudl
4* OT Olaus Alinen 6-7/315 CT hudl
4* OT Miles McVay 6-6/358 IL hudl
Defensive Line (4)
4* DL Kelby Collins 6-5/278 AL hudl
4* DE Jordan Renaud 6-4/245 TX hudl
5* DL James Smith 6-4/310 AL hudl
4* DL Hunter Osborne 6-3/250 AL hudl
Linebackers (5)
4* OLB Yhonzae Pierre 6-3/221 AL hudl
3* LB Justin Jefferson 6-2/220 TN/Juco hudl
4* LB Suntarine Perkins 6-3/210 MS hudl OM
4* OLB Damon Wilson 6-3.5/235 FL hudl
4* OLB Qua Russaw 6-3/230 AL hudl
Defensive Backs (5)
5* CB Jahlil Hurley 6-2/170 AL hudl
5* S/CB Tony Mitchell 6-2/180 AL hudl
3* S/QB Brayson Hubbard 6-1/195 MS hudl
5* S Caleb Downs 5-11.5/195 GA hudl
5* CB Cormani McClain 6-1.5/165 FL hudl
Specialists (1)
_* K/P Conor Talty 6-1/195 IL hudl
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:09 am to TidalSurge1
2021 ROSTER/DEPTH (85-man) * = redshirted. 2020 didn't cost eligibility; resulting 5th-year players = non-counters^ toward '21's 85 limit.
Total: 85 counters (36 Fr, 18 So, 23 Jr, 8 Sr 2^)
Quarterbacks (3)
So: P Tyson*, B Young
Fr: J Milroe
Running Backs (4+1^)
Gr: B Robinson^
So: T Sanders*, J McClellan, R Williams
Fr: C Wheaton
Wide Receivers (10)
Jr: Bolden*, Metchie, J Williams
So: J Baker, T Holden
Fr: T Jones-Bell*
Fr: J Brooks, A Hall, C Leary, JJ Earle
Tight Ends (5)
Sr: M Tennison*
Jr: C Latu*, J Billingsley
Fr: C Clark, R Ouzts
O-Line (16+1^)
Gr: C Owens*^
Sr: K Randolph*
Jr: T Brown*, E Neal, E Ekiyor*, D Dalcourt
So: T Bowles*, P Quick*, A Kight*, J Cohen
Fr: D George*, S McLaughlin*
Fr: T Brockermeyer, J Brockermeyer
Fr: T Ferguson, JC Latham, J Roberts
D-Line (14)
Sr: P Mathis*, L Ray*
Jr: S Wynn*, DJ Dale, J Eboigbe, B Young
So: B Ingraham*, T Smith, J Burroughs
Fr; J Latham*, M Goodwine, D Payne
Fr: A Barnes, T Keenan
Inside LBs (9)
Sr: J Moody
Jr: C Harris, S Lee, H Tóotóo
Fr: D Kennedy*, J Bratton*
Fr: D Lawson, K Blackshire, I Jackson
Outside LBs (8)
Sr: C Allen*
Jr: K Mwikuta
So: W Anderson, D Sanders
Fr: C Braswell*, Q Robinson*, D Turner, K Koht
Safeties (7)
Sr: D Wright*
Jr: J Battle, D Hellams
So: B Branch, M Moore
Fr: K Story*, K Williams
Cornerbacks (8)
Sr: J Jobe
Jr: J Armour-Davis*, M Banks, K Jackson
Fr: J Robinson*, G McKinstry, D Smith, T Arnold
Specialists (1)
Jr: K/P W Reichard
Specialists (0) - Walkons
Jr: K/P T Perine, K/P J Martin
So: K/P C Allen, P S Johnson
Fr: P J Burnip, LS K Hibbett, LS C Short
Transfer Portal - Alabama
Total: 85 counters (36 Fr, 18 So, 23 Jr, 8 Sr 2^)
Quarterbacks (3)
So: P Tyson*, B Young
Fr: J Milroe
Running Backs (4+1^)
Gr: B Robinson^
So: T Sanders*, J McClellan, R Williams
Fr: C Wheaton
Wide Receivers (10)
Jr: Bolden*, Metchie, J Williams
So: J Baker, T Holden
Fr: T Jones-Bell*
Fr: J Brooks, A Hall, C Leary, JJ Earle
Tight Ends (5)
Sr: M Tennison*
Jr: C Latu*, J Billingsley
Fr: C Clark, R Ouzts
O-Line (16+1^)
Gr: C Owens*^
Sr: K Randolph*
Jr: T Brown*, E Neal, E Ekiyor*, D Dalcourt
So: T Bowles*, P Quick*, A Kight*, J Cohen
Fr: D George*, S McLaughlin*
Fr: T Brockermeyer, J Brockermeyer
Fr: T Ferguson, JC Latham, J Roberts
D-Line (14)
Sr: P Mathis*, L Ray*
Jr: S Wynn*, DJ Dale, J Eboigbe, B Young
So: B Ingraham*, T Smith, J Burroughs
Fr; J Latham*, M Goodwine, D Payne
Fr: A Barnes, T Keenan
Inside LBs (9)
Sr: J Moody
Jr: C Harris, S Lee, H Tóotóo
Fr: D Kennedy*, J Bratton*
Fr: D Lawson, K Blackshire, I Jackson
Outside LBs (8)
Sr: C Allen*
Jr: K Mwikuta
So: W Anderson, D Sanders
Fr: C Braswell*, Q Robinson*, D Turner, K Koht
Safeties (7)
Sr: D Wright*
Jr: J Battle, D Hellams
So: B Branch, M Moore
Fr: K Story*, K Williams
Cornerbacks (8)
Sr: J Jobe
Jr: J Armour-Davis*, M Banks, K Jackson
Fr: J Robinson*, G McKinstry, D Smith, T Arnold
Specialists (1)
Jr: K/P W Reichard
Specialists (0) - Walkons
Jr: K/P T Perine, K/P J Martin
So: K/P C Allen, P S Johnson
Fr: P J Burnip, LS K Hibbett, LS C Short
Transfer Portal - Alabama
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This guy.
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Call me a gump, but that team has the potential to be great.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:45 pm to Garfield
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fricking Hilarious RA pic
Dick balloon gif
Penguin Come at me bro gif
Magnifying glass gif
Maps & lines gif
Bionic arm gif
Roll Tide Oh! Orgasm gif
Moister than an oyster gif
Colbert slow grin "Oh yea" gif
Tom Cruse Wait what? gif
Confused by your tactics gif
That's bait gif
Goofy "I like it!!" gif
Damn! gif
You mad kid gif
It's a trap gif
Quinnen Williams tea gif
Dog don't post gif
Danny Devito nope gif
Nope lil yachty gif
Saban presser walk away gif
Roller coaster gif
Hola hoop girl gif
Hula hoop guy (tire) gif
Scarlett Johansson Wow! Gif
Wonder Woman dancing gif
Hula dance gif
Dancing ant gif
Star Warriors dancing gif
Big AL dancing gif
Male baton twirler gif
Bama gymnast flips gif
Crimsonette brunette pic
Crimsonette blonde pic
5-star dance gif
Saban Be a Champion pic
Bama NFL draftees pic
Cookie monster waiting gif
Boy "What did he say?" gif
Dog drops ball wtf gif
Cat truck window gif
Bob Ross just be chill gif.
Blonde throwing shoe gif
Girl leaps to fight in bleachers gif
Gay boys fighting gif
Squirrel Come at me bro gif
Squirrel scream gif
Pissing contest gif
Goshdarn gif
Clint Eastwood cringe gif
Good bad ugly & cat eyes gif
Good bad ugly & girl eyes gif
Little girl wtf gif
Looney tunes dog slap gif
Travolta confused gif
Wind-up bird flip gif
Saban bird flip gif
Mr Rogers bird flips gif
Child molester busters gif
Troll trotting gif
Eeyore hanging gif
Debbie Downer gif
Bama cheating again emoji
Ernest T Bass diploma pic
Chris Farley bus driver gif
Bill Murray Got that going for me gif
Drops mic pic
Minions drops mic gif
Toddle LAWD gif
Smart thinking gif
Boy crying in interview gif
Homer Simpson pot hedge gif
Cousin Vinnie surprise gif
Window lookout & smirk gif
Multiple facepalms gif
Simpsons rat poison gif
Ham sammich cooter pic
OP zoom to little dick gif
OP semen gargling gif
Shitpost meter gif
I had fun once. It was awful.
This post was edited on 2/26/22 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:45 pm to TidalSurge1
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Muppet Dunno gif
No one cares gif
Just trolling by gif
Allegedly gif
Brain fireworks gif
Do your job elevator doors gif
JLo "Really, who gives a shite?"
Woo we did it! gif
Dog smoking gif
Black cat filing claws gif
Bikini shooter gif
Denzel boom gif
Denzel my man gif
Jeremiah Johnson gif
Star trek tennis ball gif
Kramer & Jackie oh yeah gif
Kramer scared & run away gif
Costanza boss not worried pic
Toddler beer toast gif
Saban toast tux pic
Kirby drunk gif
Saban guitar solo gif
Saban gocart donuts gif
Saban dabbing photo
Saban it doesn't matter what you think
Weather man map erection gif
Jennifer Anniston erect nipples pic
Elephant surfing gif
Dolphins paddle board gif
Laughing in boat gif
Throw heads back & laugh gif
Nicolas Cage lmao gif
Never go full retard gif
Oh Wow gif
Impressive, very nice gif
It's true gif
Spanky "Oh Boy" gif
That boy good gif
Forest Gump braces gif
Tua towel gif
Natty winning pass gif #1
Natty winning pass gif #2
Number 8 gif
Number 12 gif
Butthurt gif
Looney tunes bon voyage gif
You can do it gif
Old man Hell Yeah gif
Living under a rock gif
Muffler cooter fart gif
Kermit we ridin gif
We ridin' horse gif
Lost bulldog box gif
Bulldog Fornette crying fark
Bulldog cage gif
Bulldog ice cream gif
Simpsons dynasty over gif
Crab claw violin gif
Mummy thumbs up gif
Fred Flintstone counting gif
Saban bashing Eaux head gif
RTWFU gif
Vacuum fire gif
Script A LA map pic
L8U gifs thread
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