Guardians of The Lambsfoot!

An interesting letter has arrived from my purveyor of choice for most of my lambfoots. it the history for the Teak handled lambfoot I purchased which I hope to see soon as it is crossing customs currently. perhaps it will be here by the weekend! hope to share with you all soon.
 
If that is the way they designed the knife and it is usable and works out okay , then I accept the way it looks . I actually prefer that the Blade Spine and the Spring Backs be in the same line . But I respect that other designs can work and then it comes down to the Fit & Finish appearance . It does look pretty good in the pictures . How it would look in my hands could very well be much different . Now if I tried to use a knife with a blade joint angle like that and I found that it Did Not Work For Me , then I would think it looked terrible .

Harry
My Ablett has a similar cant. I just figured that was how he liked to make 'em.

Then I thought maybe it has something to do with how it was used. Sheepsfoot blades were designed to trim the hooves of sheep. You do this by having the blade turned towards you with your index finger curled over the back of the blade. Try that with a straight blade and a canted one. The canted one positions the blade in a more comfortable position.
 
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I've seen canted blades on all sorts of patterns and from all manner of manufacturers, CASE go in for it....Got identical patterns some opening out smartly and others with the droop. Whether this is due to manufacturing processes/batches or intent I can't say. What I can say is that I don't like blade cant at all! I can't cant :D

Not sure I agree with the idea that a canted blade affords a more comfortable cutting angle for the user? Surely it depends on the user's wrist? OK I've not tried fettling animal hooves but I am a keen gardener and taking cuttings with a straight out Sheepfoot or Lambfoot is much better for me.

My Swayback Wright's Lambfoot has no cant but if it did " it would look right queer. " What I do wonder about many of Wright's knives is why the blades are often bent or krinked? The blade is centre but open it out and look at it from the top or through the liners and the blade is weirdly bent/curved/krinked..o_O
 
Jack I'd prefer Bakewell Tart:) then there's Eccles Cake:cool: Whatever, a blade like that is just right for opening them up, provided it hasn't been preparing hooves for the Sheep-dip:eek::D:D

LOL! Me too Will, two of my absolute favourites! :) :thumbup:

An interesting letter has arrived from my purveyor of choice for most of my lambfoots. it the history for the Teak handled lambfoot I purchased which I hope to see soon as it is crossing customs currently. perhaps it will be here by the weekend! hope to share with you all soon.

Admiral Nelson's Flagship? Look forward to seeing your new knives Jack :thumbup:

I used to hear messages like that from my gold filling;):D

I would guess that that angle on the Rodgers might be an ok cutter with a clip blade and some belly, but not a straight edge. Could something like that really get out of the factory if it was unintentional? Perhaps the cutlerers have been staring at eclipses...

LOL! :D The firm that own the Rodgers, Wostenholm, Ibberson names don't really have a factory as far as I know. Their premises is essentially offices and a stock room. There is some old machinery there, but I think their knives are all produced by jobbing cutlers, who of course are on 'piece rates' (ie they get paid per piece, rather than by the hour).

My Ablett has a similar cant. I just figured that was how he liked to make 'em.

Then I thought maybe it has something to do with how it was used. Sheepsfoot blades were designed to trim the hooves of sheep. You do this by having the blade turned towards you with your index finger curled over the back of the blade. Try that with a straight blade and a canted one. The canted one positions the blade in a more comfortable position.

I don't own one of Trevor's Lambsfoot knives, but my Sheepsfoot is straight, and the Lambsfoot knives of his I've seen were not canted. An 'image search' seems to pick up largely 'straight' Ablett Lambsfoot blades (they were actually produced by Wright's). The Ettrick blade is certainly canted.

I've seen canted blades on all sorts of patterns and from all manner of manufacturers, CASE go in for it....Got identical patterns some opening out smartly and others with the droop. Whether this is due to manufacturing processes/batches or intent I can't say. What I can say is that I don't like blade cant at all! I can't cant :D

Not sure I agree with the idea that a canted blade affords a more comfortable cutting angle for the user? Surely it depends on the user's wrist? OK I've not tried fettling animal hooves but I am a keen gardener and taking cuttings with a straight out Sheepfoot or Lambfoot is much better for me.

My Swayback Wright's Lambfoot has no cant but if it did " it would look right queer. " What I do wonder about many of Wright's knives is why the blades are often bent or krinked? The blade is centre but open it out and look at it from the top or through the liners and the blade is weirdly bent/curved/krinked..o_O

Interesting point Will, mine are all straight, but I have seen examples which weren't. The blade on my oxhorn Lambsfoot is slightly off centre, but the blade is straight. When I visited the factory with @herder, John Maleham told us they had had problems with blades coming back from HT warped. I'd be interested to know if anyone else has had the same problem with Wright knives. Could you perhaps show a pic? :thumbsup:
 
Admiral Nelson's Flagship? Look forward to seeing your new knives Jack :thumbup:

.....Could you perhaps show a pic? :thumbsup:

no no, it is not that illustrious. however once I wikipediaed it, the HMS Brittania has been used to name several ships, so it could just be some embellishment to sell knives :rolleyes:. I suppose I'd like to believe the story in that letter :D even though it did involve the harsh treatment and colonization of my people :mad: but thats not a discussion for here :). all will be shown soon!
 
no no, it is not that illustrious. however once I wikipediaed it, the HMS Brittania has been used to name several ships, so it could just be some embellishment to sell knives :rolleyes:. I suppose I'd like to believe the story in that letter :D even though it did involve the harsh treatment and colonization of my people :mad: but thats not a discussion for here :). all will be shown soon!

If it's the same feller, he was doing that one a few years ago! :D I have a 100 year-old garden bench made from teak salvaged from a ship which was captured by the French at the Battle of Trafalgar. It seems to have done better as a bench than it did as a ship! :D I also have an ink blotter made from teak from Admiral Jellicoe's flagship at the Battle of Jutland. I think there's a fair bit of old wood around, and it makes a lot of knife scales :D :thumbsup:
 
If it's the same feller, he was doing that one a few years ago! :D I have a 100 year-old garden bench made from teak salvaged from a ship which was captured by the French at the Battle of Trafalgar. It seems to have done better as a bench than it did as a ship! :D I also have an ink blotter made from teak from Admiral Jellicoe's flagship at the Battle of Jutland. I think there's a fair bit of old wood around, and it makes a lot of knife scales :D :thumbsup:

well to be fair, her royal majesty did have quite a fleet! the teak for my knife came from planks that was supposed to be used for some part of the ship and since it was kept so nice and dry when it was decommissioned, the maker got a small sample to put on the knives. im actually very excited to handle this knife because the picture on their site sort of portrays it as slightly sway back yet all of their more luxurious wood models are straight in stead of sway.
 
well to be fair, her royal majesty did have quite a fleet! the teak for my knife came from planks that was supposed to be used for some part of the ship and since it was kept so nice and dry when it was decommissioned, the maker got a small sample to put on the knives. im actually very excited to handle this knife because the picture on their site sort of portrays it as slightly sway back yet all of their more luxurious wood models are straight in stead of sway.

Have you tried any of the Swayback models Jack?
 
Have you tried any of the Swayback models Jack?

you mean try to put them on a belt sander?! soon, im only limited to my jewelers tools so I cant do big modifications. Having held the snakewood model in hand, I had liked that one the most. we were discussing with Charlie how I can modify them to have the blade fit in the well in a sleeker manner, that stove pipe kick is tricky.

Jokes asides, I have the ebony, larger rosewood and the buffalo horn in sway back. Its not that I dont like them, they sit in the hand very well actually, but the aesthetics and lines of the knife are off a little bit. I tend to like symmetry in things. but its a wonder how I dont have many spear point blades.
 
I would have to say that out of all the single blade jacks that I have come to acquire, Rosie is easily my very favorite of them all. Not only does the knife with its gentle sway fill my hand just about perfectly and, in doing so, provides the most comfortable grip, but I also really enjoy the aesthetics. In my mind, the sway back really provides a classic, almost old world look and that just thrills me to no end.

I understand desiring symmetry but sometimes asymmetry is way better. ;)
 
you mean try to put them on a belt sander?! soon, im only limited to my jewelers tools so I cant do big modifications. Having held the snakewood model in hand, I had liked that one the most. we were discussing with Charlie how I can modify them to have the blade fit in the well in a sleeker manner, that stove pipe kick is tricky.

Jokes asides, I have the ebony, larger rosewood and the buffalo horn in sway back. Its not that I dont like them, they sit in the hand very well actually, but the aesthetics and lines of the knife are off a little bit. I tend to like symmetry in things. but its a wonder how I dont have many spear point blades.

LOL! Don't try grinding down the spring my friend! :eek: :D Those knives have been around that way for generations, there's a reason they look the way they look, the Lambsfoot is a solid user. Why don't you try using one of the Swayback models for a while, see if it grows on you at all? :thumbsup:

I would have to say that out of all the single blade jacks that I have come to acquire, Rosie is easily my very favorite of them all. Not only does the knife with its gentle sway fill my hand just about perfectly and, in doing so, provides the most comfortable grip, but I also really enjoy the aesthetics. In my mind, the sway back really provides a classic, almost old world look and that just thrills me to no end.

I understand desiring symmetry but sometimes asymmetry is way better. ;)

I agree Dylan, I think the Lambsfoot blade (or indeed any straight-edged blade) works best with a Swayback frame, and I certainly don't find it unaesthetic at all :)

Carrying my ebony today. Just making a pasta dish...

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Fantastic stuff Chin! :D Thanks for calling in my friend, and as always, for sharing your photographic feast with us! :)

That's a pretty good impression, had me laughing for the past 5 minutes or more! :D :) :thumbsup: It sounds like you are living a great life :) I wonder if you could trade sambar with Wright's or any of the other Sheffield cutlers? Nice ferro-rod, and your ebony Lambsfoot is looking well bedded-in :thumbsup:

Yeah, a break from modern communication can definitely be a good thing sometimes can't it? What a great-looking bar, and I love the sign! :D A mate of mine was in an old Republican bar in Madrid the other week, quite a quirky place, with a short list of Civil War era rules painted on the wall (eg no wearing of hats, so as to be able to identify spies), and I thought you would have loved it :)

That is some lovely country Chin :) Yes, I have been lucky to get out a fair bit myself recently :thumbsup:

Your Unity Lambsfoot is looking better than ever :) :thumbsup:

Thanks my friend, I hope I didn't mangle idioms too much! I've read through that Yorkshireman's Dictionary you gave me a few times, and enjoyed learning some new words each time.

That ferro rod was made from an offcut bit of deer antler tip, by one of my hunting mates, knifemaker, Danny Wilson. I traded him a shaker of good chilli powder for it, and coloured it up a bit with a little potassium permanganate. The antler tip end can be used as a retoucher on flintknapped edges, too.

Sambar antler's thick, heavy and dense, with very little 'pith', or spongy centre. Red Stag antler has a large pithy core, due to genetics, I understand, as the antler structure is the same in hot, dry climates like Australia, as it is in Scotland, England or New Zealand. Fallow deer antlers are also unsuited for high durability handles, for the same reason. You can really feel the difference in weight when lifting a dried set of Sambar antlers compared to those of other deer species of comparable size.

I guess most knifemakers would covet some nice Sambar antler - I think most of the good stuff here is kept intact as full sets, and there is probably some small trade between hunters and custom knifemakers, for the pieces that can be sawn up.

That bar in Madrid sounds fascinating. George Orwell's Homage to Catalonia, and Hemingway's Spanish Civil War tales made quite an impression on me when I was a teenager. It would be amazing to see those places, steeped in such history.

Wonderful post, Chin! And beautiful pictures! It is always nice to see knives in action, or at least somewhat close to it. May you remain safe in your adventures, it sounds like you have many of them.

Elk and deer archery season starts this coming weekend and I am looking forward to getting back into the woods myself. I will be bringing Rosie with me. Hopefully, she will not only give me a bit of luck, but will look grand in the bunch of pictures I plan on taking.

Thanks Dylan - that sounds like a great weekend coming up. I'm looking forward to seeing how Rosie does out there. Good luck on the hunt.

Chin Voices in the head eh? :eek: Must be the fine Stag example that's encouraged them:D

Jack I'd prefer Bakewell Tart:) then there's Eccles Cake:cool: Whatever, a blade like that is just right for opening them up, provided it hasn't been preparing hooves for the Sheep-dip:eek::D:D

I used to hear messages like that from my gold filling;):D

I would guess that that angle on the Rodgers might be an ok cutter with a clip blade and some belly, but not a straight edge. Could something like that really get out of the factory if it was unintentional? Perhaps the cutlerers have been staring at eclipses...

LOL, I'm pleased to report that the pirate radio station style Voice-Of-Yorkshire mental broadcast seems to have been an isolated incident!

My Ablett has a similar cant. I justfigured that was how he liked to make 'em.

Then I thought maybe it has something to do with how it was used. Sheepsfoot blades were designed to trim the hooves of sheep. You do this by having the blade turned towards you with your index finger curled over the back of the blade. Try that with a straight blade and a canted one. The canted one positions the blade in a more comfortable position.

Interesting, Legineng: I guess that intended grip also explains the characteristic forward blade cant that Ettricks tend to have, as well. There's at least a few degrees of forward cant on all my admittedly small sample size of three Lambsfoot knives. (Still haven't found my favourite carry, the ebony handled, swayback Wright, I 'misplaced' a couple of months ago.:() I think a very slight dropping of the blade tip below horizontal can help with function. For some applications, like cutting material on a benchtop, that excessive looking blade droop in that JR may actually be an advantage. It does look a bit odd to the eye, though.

That long bolster with JR stamp looks pretty neat.

I'll be interested to see if you can improve it, Jack/Mrknife.
 
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Thanks my friend, I hope I didn't mangle idioms too much! I've read through that Yorkshireman's Dictionary you gave me a few times, and enjoyed learning some new words each time.

That ferro rod was made from an offcut bit of deer antler tip, by one of my hunting mates, knifemaker, Danny Wilson. I traded him a shaker of good chilli powder for it, and coloured it up a bit with a little potassium permanganate. The antler tip end can be used as a retoucher on flintknapped edges, too.

Sambar antler's thick, heavy and dense, with very little 'pith', or spongy centre. Red Stag antler has a large pithy core, due to genetics, I understand, as the antler structure is the same in hot, dry climates like Australia, as it is in Scotland, England or New Zealand. Fallow deer antlers are also unsuited for high durability handles, for the same reason. You can really feel the difference in weight when lifting a dried set of Sambar antlers compared to those of other deer species of comparable size.

I guess most knifemakers would covet some nice Sambar antler - I think most of the good stuff here is kept intact as full sets, and there is probably some small trade between hunters and custom knifemakers, for the pieces that can be sawn up.

That bar in Madrid sounds fascinating. George Orwell's Homage to Catalonia, and Hemingway's Spanish Civil War tales made quite an impression on me when I was a teenager. It would be amazing to see those places, steeped in such history.



Thanks Dylan - that sounds like a great weekend coming up. I'm looking forward to seeing how Rosie does out there. Good luck on the hunt.





LOL, I'm pleased to report that the pirate radio station style Voice-Of-Yorkshire mental broadcast seems to have been an isolated incident!



Interesting, Legineng: I guess that intended grip also explains the characteristic forward blade cant that Ettricks tend to have, as well. There's at least a few degrees of forward cant on all my admittedly small sample size of three Lambsfoot knives. (Still haven't found my favourite carry, the ebony handled Wright.) I think a very slight dropping of the blade tip below horizontal can help with function. For some applications, like cutting material on a benchtop, that excessive looking blade droop in that JR may actually be an advantage. It does look a bit odd to the eye, though.

That long bolster with JR stamp looks pretty neat.

I'll be interested to see if you can improve it, Jack/Mrknife.

Tha's tekken t'it like a duck to watter pal! :D :thumbsup:

Nice work on that ferro rod my friend, definitely a gift to treasure :)

I think if the Sheffield cutlers were more clued up, they'd have looked to Australia as soon as the Indian Government banned exports of Sambar (something nobody seems to know the reason for). As you rightly say, the difference is huge :thumbsup:

I have had some great times in Barcelona Chin, I'm sure you'd enjoy visiting the region :thumbsup:

I can say the same about yours Jack!

Thanks Tom :) I'm carrying that one today. Here it is without my shirt! :D :thumbsup:

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Lots of very interesting things in this thread. I'll start with the off topic (just a word or two). I also have spent delicious hours reading Kipling and Jack London, though never the most famous of the later, White Fang. :cool:

I'd love to visit that Republican bar in Madrid. Today we honour José Baroncarino, a Republican refugee who was the first dead of the Paris Liberation, aug '44. They knew what was coming, were great fighters and did more than their share in the ranks of the French Resistance, in spite of the poor welcome they received when they crossed the Pyrénées.

But, revenons à nos moutons - let's go back to the subject .
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I have made a quick picture to compare how the various makers knives cant.
The first I received was the IXL (a clip) and when he saw her, a retired cutler said the blade was "crying". Not only she was not the knife I ordered (btw this is boneo_O), but the angle is impressive.

Above is the Joseph Rodgers, with much less angle, maybe a bit less than yours mrknife mrknife ? Nevertheless, I find it very nifty, (rosewood like mine or delrin like yours) and a pleasure to have in the pocket.
As Jack noted, even the official Eggerton picture show the blade cant.

Under come my Arthur Wright and the one I received from Jack, no problem, same for the Trevor Ablett :).

My Ablett has a similar cant. I just figured that was how he liked to make 'em.

Then I thought maybe it has something to do with how it was used. Sheepsfoot blades were designed to trim the hooves of sheep. You do this by having the blade turned towards you with your index finger curled over the back of the blade. Try that with a straight blade and a canted one. The canted one positions the blade in a more comfortable position.
I'm not sure this cant makes the knife more handy when trimming a hoof. Two examples of French shepherd's knife (as used in the Pyrénées), the third is the Hungarian rendition (a very similar pattern exist in France, named Piétin - these are not pruners).
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so it seems the cant is deliberately built in as part of the design for ergonomics and ease of use?
 
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