M.T.A. Might Bring Back Double-Decker Buses

Updated, 4:10 p.m. | Double-decker buses — a fixture of the streetscape in London and other international cities — could be making a comeback in New York City. Officials at New York City Transit said today that the agency was considering bringing back double-decker buses, similar to ones that used to run in the city decades ago.

The officials said the buses could seat as many people as an articulated bus — the double-length buses, each pivoting around a joint in the middle, that are used on some of the city’s busiest routes — while needing less maintenance.

The new double-deckers could run in pilot program on Fifth Avenue. But officials said they had not yet chosen a bus manufacturer and could not say when the pilot would begin. Howard H. Roberts Jr., the transit agency’s president, said at a meeting of the board of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, the transit agency’s parent entity, that double-decker buses were in regular use on Fifth Avenue as recently as the 1970s.

(Several readers have expressed surprise that double-decker buses were used as recently as the 1970s. According to New York City Transit, double-decker buses were the norm on Fifth Avenue for decades, until they stopped being used in the early 1950s. They returned in 1976 when the eight British-made double decker buses went into service again on Fifth Avenue as part of a test program. But the buses did not hold up well, said Charles F. Seaton, a spokesman for New York City Transit, and were taken off the road after about two years.)

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I agree with the double decker being returned to duty in New York, I used them in London and they were GREAT…

Have you ever been gridlocked because of one of those extended buses!?!?

David Greenstein May 22, 2008 · 1:46 pm

The best thing about the old double-deckers on 5th Ave. was that in the summer, the upper deck was open.

It’s about time.

Too bad other cities can’t do that as well. Bridges and overpasses in some metro’s (walkways) are a little low. The routes may have to be changed slightly due to their hight. Fuel consumed will be almost the same as a single.

Funny, London just got rid of their double-decker buses. Why? Accessibility; the second deck is not accessible for those with disabilities, and one would suspect that the same issues/laws would affect this decision here as well.

We’re going to need them now that Bush and his Saud Family handlers have imposed congestion pricing (collected at the pump instead of the bridges and tunnels).

Great. And sure enough they will eventually be forced to provide ADA compliant double decker busses. There goes another billion dollars…

News Flash fellas: the entire bus doesn’t have to be accessible, just a certain number of seats.

i lived in london for 3 years. everyone there hates the articulated buses because they’re too long to maneuver properly.

more importantly, what kind of loser does it take to connect a post about double-decker buses to president bush. get a life.

Newsflash back at ‘ya: Legitimate complaints will be heard that not being able to enjoy the upper level equally is discriminatory.

tony from greenpoint May 22, 2008 · 2:14 pm

I think this is one possible good idea but it will take many years for this to happen, like 7.

The problem with high capacity buses, from the passengers standpoint, is that capacity per bus goes up but bus frequency goes down. If you could make the articulated bus THREE times as long, or the doubledecker a TRIPLEdecker, you could move the same number of riders at lower cost. But the riders wait longer between buses.

But now that I think of it, a DOUBLE DECKER ARTICULATED BUS would be
T O T A L L Y C O O L ! ! !

As cool as the double-decker articulated bus might be, why not put in a tram line on the street? Traffic can still use these areas when trams are not present.

It looks like real great idea.
If it was placed on M4 bus travel between Cloisters and Penn Station, it would be wonderful.

Does no one remember that NY tried double-deckers in the late 70’s? Other than the coolness factor, they were miserable. The ceiling heights were way too low on both decks (Americans – at least until recently – are significantly taller than Europeans). At 6’2″ I had to walk down the aisles stooped over. The buses, even with the low interior heights, were too tall to travel on certain routes (such as Amsterdam Ave, with the Columbia Law School plaza overhead). They also take much longer at stops because of departing passengers having to get down the stairs – one of the big current challenges for the MTA is speeding up bus service. These are great for tourist buses, where speed and travel times are not a factor but for basic transportation for us city dweller – not so much. Let’s concentrate on Bus Rapid Transit, light rail, electric buses, etc.

Double-decker buses certainly were not runing on Fifth Avenue as late as the 1970s. Try the mid 1950s from my recollection observing the final days of the Fifth Avenue Coach Company before the city took it over. If newer efficient models can be designed that meet all the requirements of service to the elderly and handicapped of the equipment in use today, maybe they would be useful for some routes like Manhattan #4 and #5 that they plied decades ago. But I thimk the MTA has done a great job upgrading bus equipment and service in recent years with rising usage and traffic as bad as ever.

London has not gotten rid of double decker buses. They are used everywhere and are very popular (and fun). People here do dislike the “bendy buses” however, also called “the free bus” since apparently its easy to evade the fares getting in at the back.

Julia, #15, is correct. Trams (also known as Light Rail) can transport more people more efficiently than buses. However, they do need a reserved section of street so they are not encumbered by traffic as buses are. 34th and 42nd Streets would benefit from river-to-river crosstown tram service.

Another improvement the MTA should consider is traffic light priority for buses. For example, on route M60 on 125th Street, the bus must stop at every street for the light, then stop again for passengers. By giving a green light to buses their run time will be reduced. With today’s technology, it would be easy to equip a bus with a transponder to signal the traffic lights.

“Funny, London just got rid of their double-decker buses. Why? Accessibility; the second deck is not accessible for those with disabilities, and one would suspect that the same issues/laws would affect this decision here as well.

— Posted by FG”

FG – London did not just get rid of its double decker buses. It got rid of the last of the iconic “old-fashioned” ones that it had in service but the double-deckers are still plying the streets.

What MTA needs is a new metro card system. The current metro card system takes too long. Buses queue up too long on sidewalk waiting for people to board the bus.

It’s a fine idea for those who don’t mind breathing in car fumes.

Matthew Rodriguez May 22, 2008 · 3:39 pm

Great. This means MORE two story mobile billboards advertising for Canada Tourism.

Back to the future! while the MTA is at it they should bring back electric trolley cars that don’t pollute the air with diesel exhaust gases!