Who do you find more annoying: Champagne Socialists or Hard-nosed tories?

Poll

Who do you find more annoying

Do you find middle/class upper class socialists who live the life they criticise the most or Tories who constantly say to 'take responsibility' and say no one deserves help or hand-outs the most annoying?

Reply 1

Genocidal

19

Champagne socialists by far. Hard-nosed Tories are simply who we expect them to be, whereas the champagne socialist is a hypocrite.

Reply 2

paddyman4

14

Champagne socialists. Especially the university student variety.

Reply 3

madders94

18

I think champagne socialists. I mean, I wouldn't expect anything less from a Tory, but when you get the uni students whose parents are paying for them to eat, and for some they're even paying for them to live in halls etc, and they're still saying that they're being treated unfairly by the government, they give a bad impression that every student is like that when actually no, some of us really are struggling and we don't have people who can throw money at us.

Reply 4

jacketpotato

20

Hard-nosed Tories, because it is almost like they take pride in supporting unfairness and privilege.

Reply 5

fuzznbass

10

Champagne socialists definately or any socialist lol

Reply 6

Rakas21

21

Student Champagne Socialists.

Many are extremely gullible and unaware of the values they actually enspouce, not to mention hypocritical.

Notable examples include...

Hardcore Socialists voting Lib Dem
Lib Dem voters not knowing their leader is an Orange Booker and therefore a coalition with the Tories was always a possibility
Many not realizing that taxes on the rich required would harm them if they were successful (i once spoke to a Socialist and after a while said "so you agree with a 60% tax or something then" to which he said god no i want my parents to buy me stuff)

You may not like what the Tories do at times but more often than not we will tell you up front that this is what we are going to do.

Reply 7

Siman89

OP

6

Original post by Rakas21

Student Champagne Socialists.

Many are extremely gullible and unaware of the values they actually enspouce, not to mention hypocritical.

Notable examples include...

Hardcore Socialists voting Lib Dem
Lib Dem voters not knowing their leader is an Orange Booker and therefore a coalition with the Tories was always a possibility
Many not realizing that taxes on the rich required would harm them if they were successful (i once spoke to a Socialist and after a while said "so you agree with a 60% tax or something then" to which he said god no i want my parents to buy me stuff)

You may not like what the Tories do at times but more often than not we will tell you up front that this is what we are going to do.

I think the problem with a lot of student socialists is that they only claim they're socialist or sometimes even communist to seem like rebels. They then have completely contradictory views that go against socialist ideals and are actually more 'libertarian'. They'll moan about things like big government and high taxes and how government wants to control our lives.

From what I've seen the only reason a lot of students align themselves with the left is because they want to legalise weed and not be told what to do by the establishment, and just give themselves the socialist tag to seem cool.

Reply 8

Martyn*

13

Original post by fuzznbass

Champagne socialists definately or any socialist lol

Champagne socialists are not Socialists; they feign to be.

Reply 9

meenu89

19

Champagne Socialists.

Reply 10

Fatfis

Original post by Siman89

From what I've seen the only reason a lot of students align themselves with the left is because they want to legalise weed and not be told what to do by the establishment, and just give themselves the socialist tag to seem cool.

But similar respective, base motives aren't responsible for right-wing students beliefs?

This was posted from The Student Room's iPhone/iPad App

Reply 11

politics_student

Definitely champagne socialists.

On the whole, Tories are very lovely people, with high morals, and are often misunderstood by the left who paint them in a rather unfortunate light.

Reply 12

Goods

16

Marx himself was a Champagne Socialist in later life. If the political system is not going to change for the foreseeable future then as pragmatists in a capitalist system everyone should try and make as much money as possible to facilitate and easier life for themselves and their family. This is regardless of any political ideologies they have. Therefore the fact people have wealth and have left wing or socialist tendencies are purely coincidence. socialism only works if everyone wants it, not everyone does, hence there are champagne socialists.

Hard-nosed Tories ... don't get me started....

Reply 13

Siman89

OP

6

Original post by Fatfis

But similar respective, base motives aren't responsible for right-wing students beliefs?

This was posted from The Student Room's iPhone/iPad App

Yeah, but at University you generally get more people claiming they're left-wing. Plus if you want small government and low taxes then you're a libertarian, not a socialist, which a lot of them seem to get confused between.

I do have to say though that I find it weird how people over here that quite clearly vote Tory go on about how much they love Obama, because he's so cool, when they actually share the same views as most American Republicans.

Reply 14

Siman89

OP

6

Original post by Goods

Marx himself was a Champagne Socialist in later life. If the political system is not going to change for the foreseeable future then as pragmatists in a capitalist system everyone should try and make as much money as possible to facilitate and easier life for themselves and their family. This is regardless of any political ideologies they have. Therefore the fact people have wealth and have left wing or socialist tendencies are purely coincidence. socialism only works if everyone wants it, not everyone does, hence there are champagne socialists.

Hard-nosed Tories ... don't get me started....

I see your point, but isn't that quite a pessimistic outlook. If the Suffragettes had that attitude and were just like ok then we'll just settle down and stop complaining then women would still have much less rights. Maybe if they're that serious about making a change in the world they could give up a large amount of their wealth, like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett did, instead of just preaching to others about giving more, like Bono. People are obviously going to be a lot less supportive of a course that say's 'do as I say, not as I do'.

Reply 15

Fatfis

Original post by Siman89

Yeah, but at University you generally get more people claiming they're left-wing. Plus if you want small government and low taxes then you're a libertarian, not a socialist, which a lot of them seem to get confused between.

I do have to say though that I find it weird how people over here that quite clearly vote Tory go on about how much they love Obama, because he's so cool, when they actually share the same views as most American Republicans.

Well you may well be on the money with the subconscious libertarianism, Most diehard socialists pupate into a more central liberal position in later life. - but wtf about the Tory republican alignment any examples of major policy alignment over the democrats.

This was posted from The Student Room's iPhone/iPad App

Reply 16

danny111

3

Original post by Siman89

I do have to say though that I find it weird how people over here that quite clearly vote Tory go on about how much they love Obama, because he's so cool, when they actually share the same views as most American Republicans.

Could you fail more?

The Republicans are more right wing than any of the major European conservative parties. The Democrats are as right wing as the Tories, probably more. Labour could never exist/succeed in the US. There is absolutely nothing inconsistent with voting Tory in the UK and liking Obama.

If you don't believe me, this article from the Telegraph I found after one google:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/walterellis/100142115/there-is-no-proper-left-in-american-politics-even-obama-is-more-right-wing-than-cameron/

So you neg me but don't even reply to my post? Real mature...

(edited 11 years ago)

Reply 17

Siman89

OP

6

Original post by Fatfis

Well you may well be on the money with the subconscious libertarianism, Most diehard socialists pupate into a more central liberal position in later life. - but wtf about the Tory republican alignment any examples of major policy alignment over the democrats.

This was posted from The Student Room's iPhone/iPad App

They both want stricter rules on immigration, lower taxes, both oppose universal healthcare, I could go on but this list is rather long.

Reply 18

charwhil

Champagne socialists for sure! They tend to be the people that try so hard to be liberal that in doing so almost become un-PC if you get what i'm saying. Nothing annoys me more.
That being said, hard-nosed tories are hardly any better, but you can't help but feel many have merely been indoctrinated...