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Tim

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Apr 21, 2009, 8:22:39 PM4/21/09
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Does anybody know how they did this? I think it looks great.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/zanelowe/2009/04/dizzee_rascal_exclusive.html

Tim

dmg

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Apr 21, 2009, 8:24:33 PM4/21/09
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not available in my area :(

can you describe it?
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Yuval Levy

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Apr 21, 2009, 8:43:33 PM4/21/09
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Tim wrote:
> Does anybody know how they did this? I think it looks great.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/zanelowe/2009/04/dizzee_rascal_exclusive.html

the BBC seems to be doing IP-based filtering - when I click play it says
"not available in your area". can you point me to an open proxy server
in the UK? Me want to watch :)

Yuv

dmg

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Apr 21, 2009, 8:47:44 PM4/21/09
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if the video is stereographic one way to do this would be to split the video
into JPEGs, remap them and then reassemble the result. My students did
something similar with movie clips for one assignment using mplayer
(although they did colour manipulation, not remapping). You will
of course have to know the characteristics of the lens you are using to
shoot it.

Tim Nugent

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Apr 21, 2009, 8:53:22 PM4/21/09
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Try this one, you might still have the same problem though. I'll see if I can find a way to download it tomorrow.

http://vodpod.com/watch/1533375-dizzee-rascal-bonkers-video

It's a music video where they're driving Dizzee around on a truck (though I imagine there's some green screen involved). The camera is above him looking straight down and the background appears to be a little planet.. except it's video rather than a still. They drive up and down different streets so it's not the same planet on loop.

Here are some screenshots:

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7180/dizzyvid.jpg


2009/4/22 dmg <d...@uvic.ca>

Leon Moctezuma

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Apr 21, 2009, 9:49:27 PM4/21/09
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I found it in YouTube... :)




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dmg

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Apr 21, 2009, 9:53:04 PM4/21/09
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I wonder if it can be done with a rig of video cameras to cover the
360 degrees.
The frames split, remapped, and stitched, and rejoined into a video.

-dmg

Yuval Levy

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Apr 21, 2009, 9:56:03 PM4/21/09
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dmg wrote:
> I wonder if it can be done with a rig of video cameras to cover the
> 360 degrees.

i suspect they filmed with something like a Ladybug. It does the above.


> The frames split, remapped, and stitched, and rejoined into a video.

probably what they did. and they super-imposed the singer and the people
after filiming them in studio, separately.

Yuv

Jim Watters

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Apr 21, 2009, 10:19:18 PM4/21/09
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Yuval Levy wrote:
> dmg wrote:
>
>> I wonder if it can be done with a rig of video cameras to cover the
>> 360 degrees.
>>
> i suspect they filmed with something like a Ladybug. It does the above.
>
Or Immersive Media's Dodeca 2360 camera, that is used by Google street view.

>> The frames split, remapped, and stitched, and rejoined into a video.
>>
> probably what they did. and they super-imposed the singer and the people
> after filiming them in studio, separately.
>
> Yuv
I have to agree. The light on the singer does not change when switching
from evening to night.
Once each frame is stitched to a pano it can be remapped easily.

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Leon Moctezuma

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Apr 21, 2009, 10:32:07 PM4/21/09
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What about this video?... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH_zW_B20XI ... it has a small description about how it was made, it looks pretty much like the dizzee's video.
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dmg

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Apr 21, 2009, 10:43:06 PM4/21/09
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Oh, that looks like a video made with a camera and a mirror. It can
probably be improved by unmapping it and mapping it back to
a better projection.

RizThon

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Apr 21, 2009, 11:37:46 PM4/21/09
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Oh, that looks like a video made with a camera and a mirror. It can
probably be improved by unmapping it and mapping it back to
a better projection.
This might have been done with something like this http://www.red-door.co.uk/pages/productpages/360-one-vr-redshop.html

Tom Sparks

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Apr 21, 2009, 10:59:05 PM4/21/09
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video panorama!!
we have been talking about it on panotoolsNG mailing list
here are some examples

http://gardengnomesoftware.com/pano2vr_sample.php?demo=timelapse
http://krpano.com/video/
http://tinyurl.com/d6on38

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Dale Beams

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Apr 22, 2009, 10:51:50 AM4/22/09
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Immersive video, not there yet.

These are great examples of video panoramas.  On a side note to be truely immersive it would need:

1. A spherical room or VR goggles.  As impressive as this is (and it is impressive) one is still limited to a flat view on a flat screen with a cropped view 4:3(?).  My peripheral vision is about 180 and it's out of my peripheral vision I pick up a lot of information.  The ability to move one's head around while keeping the peripheral vision view is important.
2. Truely sterographic (ie, 3D).  True sterographic is filmed with two cameras, about 3-4 inches apart allowing a green/red with 3D or sterographic glasses.  For films this means processing two sets of almost identical film.  With low end video equipment, the cost would be on the processing power of the individual.
3. Interactive.  The ability to click within the panorama and get audio feedback.  Ie., seeing and individual with a clickable icon/box and clicking on them to hear the audio from them.  This would require more effort, as it would require a "reporting" team to get audo interaction between two people or about objects within the panorama.  This is great for live events or museams.
4. "Live".  This i see as almost impossible, but not quite.  Stitching six different "live" video feeds with small delays would make it truly a immersive experience.  The videographer could be fitted with a earpiece and  then under the control of a web viewer (one at a time) could be directed to interview individuals or inspect objects.  This would be truely live television.
5. The implications of "live" panoramas are enourmous.  For example, a team of indivudals with various "light" seeing cameras and and motion detection technologoy (all of which are availabe to us - in linux no less :) ) could walk through hostile situations with "an extra set of eyes" watching what they are watching as a margin of saftey allowing the "human" factor to stay involved.  This would take field agents out of the field, put them behind the saftey of a screen or panoramic room.


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Tom Sharpless

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Apr 26, 2009, 11:10:27 PM4/26/09
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My 2 cents:

The Dizzy video frames were almost certainly shot in a spherical
mirror with the lens pointing straight down, which would give the
"little planet" view without any processing. Probably from a moving
car, whose nose and tail have been hidden under the vertical "stage"
on which the performer performs.

The panos on the GardenGnome site, on the other hand, are true
panoramic movies, and very impressive.

Now, is anyone yet able to make 3-D (that is, stereoscopic)
panoramas? or panoramic movies?? That _WOULD_BE_WAY_COOL_

-- Tom




On Apr 22, 10:51 am, Dale Beams <drbe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Immersive video, not there yet.
>
> These are great examples of video panoramas.  On a side note to be truely immersive it would need:
>
> 1. A spherical room or VR goggles.  As impressive as this is (and it is impressive) one is still limited to a flat view on a flat screen with a cropped view 4:3(?).  My peripheral vision is about 180 and it's out of my peripheral vision I pick up a lot of information.  The ability to move one's head around while keeping the peripheral vision view is important.
> 2. Truely sterographic (ie, 3D).  True sterographic is filmed with two cameras, about 3-4 inches apart allowing a green/red with 3D or sterographic glasses.  For films this means processing two sets of almost identical film.  With low end video equipment, the cost would be on the processing power of the individual.
> 3. Interactive.  The ability to click within the panorama and get audio feedback.  Ie., seeing and individual with a clickable icon/box and clicking on them to hear the audio from them.  This would require more effort, as it would require a "reporting" team to get audo interaction between two people or about objects within the panorama.  This is great for live events or museams.
> 4. "Live".  This i see as almost impossible, but not quite.  Stitching six different "live" video feeds with small delays would make it truly a immersive experience.  The videographer could be fitted with a earpiece and  then under the control of a web viewer (one at a time) could be directed to interview individuals or inspect objects.  This would be truely live television.
> 5. The implications of "live" panoramas are enourmous.  For example, a team of indivudals with various "light" seeing cameras and and motion detection technologoy (all of which are availabe to us - in linux no less :) ) could walk through hostile situations with "an extra set of eyes" watching what they are watching as a margin of saftey allowing the "human" factor to stay involved.  This would take field agents out of the field, put them behind the saftey of a screen or panoramic room.
>
> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:59:05 -0700
> From: tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au
> Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Stereographic video
> To: hugi...@googlegroups.com
>
> video panorama!!
> we have been talking about it on panotoolsNG mailing list
> here are some examples
>
> http://gardengnomesoftware.com/pano2vr_sample.php?demo=timelapsehttp://krpano.com/video/http://tinyurl.com/d6on38
>
> tom_a_sparks
>
> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> but instead use OpenDocument File Formats or
> use OpenOfficehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocumenthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.orghttp://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
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>
> From: Leon Moctezuma <dense...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Stereographic video
> To: hugi...@googlegroups.com
> Received: Wednesday, 22 April, 2009, 12:32 PM
>
> What about this video?...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH_zW_B20XI... it has a small description about how it was made, it looks pretty much like the dizzee's video.
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Jim Watters <jwatt...@photocreations.ca> wrote:
> Yuval Levy wrote:
> > dmg wrote:
>
> >> I wonder if it can be done with a rig of video cameras to cover the
> >> 360 degrees.
>
> > i suspect they filmed with something like a Ladybug. It does the above.
>
> Or Immersive Media's Dodeca 2360 camera, that is used by Google street view.
>
> >> The frames split, remapped, and stitched, and rejoined into a video.
>
> > probably what they did. and they super-imposed the singer and the people
> > after filiming them in studio, separately.
>
> > Yuv
>
> I have to agree.  The light on the singer does not change when switching
>
> from evening to night.
>
> Once each frame is stitched to a pano it can be remapped easily.
>
> --
>
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>
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>
> jwatters @ photocreations . ca
>
> http://photocreations.ca
>
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Apr 27, 2009, 12:16:02 AM4/27/09
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costing of the hardware is currently the show stopper for us that want
to start doing panoramic videos
and there is no software that can take a video file (like mp4),
extract the fisheye/Equirectangular and convert them to flash video
file
currently it a three step process as in http://gardengnomesoftware.com/tutorial.php?movid=video
missing is the extract the images from the video file

the GardenGome timelaspe panorama video is shot with a normal camera
the kpano one was done with a ladybug from http://www.ptgrey.com/products/spherical.asp

On Apr 27, 1:10 pm, Tom Sharpless <TKSharpl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My 2 cents:
>
> The Dizzy video frames were almost certainly shot in a spherical
> mirror with the lens pointing straight down, which would give the
> "little planet" view without any processing.  Probably from a moving
> car, whose nose and tail have been hidden under the vertical "stage"
> on which the performer performs.
>
> The panos on the GardenGnome site, on the other hand, are true
> panoramic movies, and very impressive.
>
> Now, is anyone yet able to make  3-D (that is, stereoscopic)
> panoramas? or panoramic movies??  That _WOULD_BE_WAY_COOL_
>
> -- Tom
>
> On Apr 22, 10:51 am, Dale Beams <drbe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
<snip>

Tim

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May 15, 2009, 9:23:05 AM5/15/09
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Here's another one, you should be able to download the video too:

http://www.promonews.tv/2009/05/15/magic-and-fur%E2%80%99s-christine-by-duckeye/

Not true 360 degrees, rather mirrored 180 degrees. The results are
still quite mesmerising though.

Tim


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<tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> costing of the hardware is currently the show stopper for us that want
> to start doing panoramic videos
> and there is no software that can take avideofile (like mp4),
> extract the fisheye/Equirectangular and convert them to flashvideo
> file
> currently it a three step process as inhttp://gardengnomesoftware.com/tutorial.php?movid=video
> missing is the extract the images from thevideofile
>
> the GardenGome timelaspe panoramavideois shot with a normal camera
> the kpano one was done with a ladybug fromhttp://www.ptgrey.com/products/spherical.asp
>
> On Apr 27, 1:10 pm, Tom Sharpless <TKSharpl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My 2 cents:
>
> > The Dizzyvideoframes were almost certainly shot in a spherical

Incony

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May 16, 2009, 11:38:57 AM5/16/09
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If one could use a 3D program like Secondlife to map the images onto
3D objects, then one could walk or fly inside that 3D map, sadly the
3D object mapping of Secondlife while good, isnt good enough yet,but
its getting there. For status places, like cathedrals and important
places it is possible to reproduce a fair bit using 2D images on 3D
objects, One can use animated wind and water and light effects, but
things like trees moving in the wind while possible are still 2D
mapping on flat 3D objects linked together.. The other problem is how
many objects one can link together and script at once.. I have
considered trying some decent 360 panoramic imaging in Second Life
just because one can move around in 3D, ive not considered true red /
green 3D imaging but i sense it has possibility.

On May 15, 2:23 pm, Tim <timnug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's another one, you should be able to download the video too:
>
> http://www.promonews.tv/2009/05/15/magic-and-fur%E2%80%99s-christine-...
> > <snip>- Hide quoted text -
>
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Dale Beams

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May 16, 2009, 11:44:27 AM5/16/09
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send me a link to secondlife?  i'd like to see it.  this is attainable imho







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Incony

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and Incony is Incony at Trueblood on SecondLife.

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